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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 73)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 73 of 93 | Answers: 924 | Views: 218,213
roccoammo11
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Dec. 2024, at 11:08 pm CET#724
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Donnie wrote on December 27th, 2024 at 11:05 am:

I don't understand why some people are so upset anyway, it happens very often that it is stopped. Would have zero fear of a criminal complaint or letter from the police / public prosecutor's office. The only thing that would bother me would be losing my bank account, which I can manage without any problems

Is your bank that important to you or are there only ATMs in your area? I've been with my bank for a long time, but that would bother me the least..there are plenty of alternatives

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r****i

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 06:17 pm CET#725
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Now I have to get in touch because I think I've done a really bad job.

1.) ING already terminated my account in February of this year. It was maybe around 3000€ in total. I haven't heard anything from the police/public prosecutor's office yet. Let's see if anything else comes of it.

2.) At my new bank c24, I made a total of four depositors (2100 in total) at the beginning of the week to retrobet. After I wanted to withdraw, they kept coming back with new requirements that are absolutely absurd: Selfie with elbow, bank statement from beginning to end of December, etc....

That was enough for me and I initiated a charge back, both in the c24 app and by letter

Here's what I wrote to Idiot (an admission of guilt, so to speak):

Dear Sir or Madam,
i hereby request a chargeback of the above-mentioned payment, which I mistakenly made to an online casino that demonstrably does not have a valid license in Germany and is therefore classified as an illegal provider.

Reason:

  1. Illegality of the provider
    The aforementioned online casino retrobet is not on the official white list of licensed gambling providers in Germany. This violates Section 4 (4) of the State Treaty on Gambling (GlüStV), which prohibits the operation of and participation in unlicensed gambling offers.

  2. Violation of applicable law
    Payments to illegal gambling providers are void under German law (Section 134 BGB in conjunction with GlüStV). There is therefore no legal basis for this payment.

  3. Deception and misleading information
    The casino claimed to be legal and regulated on its website, which turned out to be false after thorough research. This deception led to me making the payment in error.

  4. Obligations of payment service providers
    According to Section 9 (1) sentence 3 of the GlüStV, payment service providers are obliged to prevent payments to unlicensed gambling providers. I would therefore ask for your support in reversing this payment.




Many thanks and best regards



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WithoutWings
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 07:14 pm CET#726
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rippi wrote on 28.12.2024 at 18:17: Now I have to report here too, because I think I really screwed up.

1.) ING already canceled my account in February of this year. It was maybe around 3000€ in total. I haven't heard anything from the police/public prosecutor's office yet. Let's see if anything else comes of it.

2.) At my new bank c24, I made a total of four depositors (2100 in total) at the beginning of the week to retrobet. After I wanted to withdraw, they kept coming back with new requirements that are absolutely absurd: Selfie with elbow, bank statement from beginning to end of December, etc....

That was enough for me and I initiated a charge back, both in the c24 app and by letter

Here's what I wrote to Idiot (an admission of guilt, so to speak):

Dear Sir or Madam,
i hereby request a chargeback of the above-mentioned payment, which I mistakenly made to an online casino that demonstrably does not have a valid license in Germany and is therefore classified as an illegal provider.

Reason:

  1. Illegality of the provider
    The aforementioned online casino retrobet is not on the official white list of licensed gambling providers in Germany. This violates Section 4 (4) of the State Treaty on Gambling (GlüStV), which prohibits the operation of and participation in unlicensed gambling offers.

  2. Violation of applicable law
    Payments to illegal gambling providers are void under German law (Section 134 BGB in conjunction with GlüStV). There is therefore no legal basis for this payment.

  3. Deception and misleading information
    The casino claimed to be legal and regulated on its website, which turned out to be false after thorough research. This deception led to me making the payment in error.

  4. Obligations of payment service providers
    According to Section 9 (1) sentence 3 of the GlüStV, payment service providers are obliged to prevent payments to unlicensed gambling providers. I would therefore ask for your support in reversing this payment.




Many thanks and best regards




My complaint came 10 months after the termination of Ing Diba I think you will still receive it. Since I am now also with C24, I advise you not to use the account because C24 simply sends payouts back to where they came from or simply blocks them. That leaves crypto

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r****i

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 07:25 pm CET#727
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I don't care about the money. I'm just wondering whether this isn't an admission of guilt on my part towards c24 and whether I've made myself legally vulnerable.

As far as ING is concerned, I just hope I'm lucky and it doesn't come to that. That was almost exactly 10 months ago..

That's it for gambling for me now for good

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Heidi54
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 07:26 pm CET#728
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@WithoutWings did the notice come 10 months after the account was finally closed or from the bank's letter?

Did ING ever approach you in this regard before? Proof of origin of funds or similar?

@rippi what did ING write to you?

I was also given notice on 15.10. to 24.12. So far nothing has come... I hypothetically asked the gentleman on the phone if anything else was coming and he said no, but the bank just doesn't want any strange transfers. I have no idea what to say to that now.

But the FIU seems to be very overloaded. I hope it takes a long time... Every day without a letter from the public prosecutor's office is another day towards the statute of limitations...

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WithoutWings
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 07:41 pm CET#729
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Heidi54 wrote on December 28, 2024 at 7:26 pm: @WithoutWings did the notice come 10 months after the account was finally closed or from the letter from the bank?

Did ING ever approach you in this regard before? Proof of origin of funds or similar?

@rippi what did ING write to you?

I was also given notice on 15.10. to 24.12. So far nothing has come... I hypothetically asked the gentleman on the phone if anything else was coming and he said no, but the bank just doesn't want any strange transfers. I have no idea what to say to that now.

But the FIU seems to be very overloaded. I hope it takes a long time... Every day without a letter from the public prosecutor's office is another day towards the statute of limitations...

I mean, the letter came 2 months before the termination, but in my case the amount was quite high. But it also depends on the federal state how long it takes.

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r****i

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 07:47 pm CET#730
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Heidi54 wrote on December 28, 2024 at 7:26 pm: @WithoutWings did the notice come 10 months after the account was finally closed or from the letter from the bank?

Did ING ever approach you in this regard before? Proof of origin of funds or similar?

@rippi what did ING write to you?

I was also given notice on 15.10. to 24.12. So far nothing has come... I hypothetically asked the gentleman on the phone if anything else was coming and he said no, but the bank just doesn't want any strange transfers. I have no idea what to say to that now.

But the FIU seems to be very overloaded. I hope it takes a long time... Every day without a letter from the public prosecutor's office is another day towards the statute of limitations...

I received the letter from ING on 12.02. The account was then terminated on 22.04. Phew, I hope there's nothing more to come... When does the whole thing expire?

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LikeAno
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 08:07 pm CET#731
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rippi wrote on 28.12.2024 at 19:47:

I received the letter from ING on 12.02. The account was then terminated on 22.04. Phew, I hope there's nothing more to come... When does the whole thing expire?

3 years from the payment date on your account.

So it will take a while, I would rather not hope for that. It's more likely that it will be stopped immediately than that nothing will come at all, I think

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 08:34 pm CET#732
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rippi wrote on 28.12.2024 at 19:47:

I received the letter from ING on 12.02. The account was then terminated on 22.04. Phew, I hope there's nothing more to come... When does the whole thing expire?

Justice always comes... sooner or later, but it does come. One colleague here received the complaint for a measly amount a few days before the statute of limitations expired. So I wouldn't rely on that.

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r****i

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Dec. 2024, at 08:43 pm CET#733
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Let's wait and see... I'm confident. Ultimately, we are discussing individual cases here. The gray masses do not express themselves or are not even on this forum..

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