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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 63)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 63 of 87 | Answers: 865 | Views: 203,009
DieWunderharke5000
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 09:28 am CET#624
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You've already been told several times here, but you can really calm down. You didn't kill anyone.

You didn't launder money. You played the lottery in an unauthorized store and on a really small scale. If it's not dropped on its own anyway, the worst you'll probably get is a conditional discharge. Public prosecutors are not stupid and they can see that you have played the lottery and not laundered money. You will never lose your job because of this.

You seem to have a lot of worries in general, but what you're describing here isn't really the kind of felony you might imagine in the worst case scenarios. You already have a lawyer on your side and your wife knows about it.


It's an unpleasant situation, yes, but it's really not as big a disaster as you're making it out to be. Easy to say as an outsider, of course, but please don't drive yourself crazy. It will work out.

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gamble1
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 05:03 pm CET#625
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Traurig wrote on 12.12.2024 at 08:15: Good morning,
As so often the last few days, a mixed night.
I have never suffered so much in my whole life as when I received an inbox from the police.


I have just found the following about the money laundering law on the Internet, among other things:

In summary, these regulations now apply:


  • Not only money laundering, but also terrorist financing will be punished. This brings transactions with third countries more clearly into focus.

  • In the case of transactions, not only the originator but also the recipient must be disclosed.

  • An audit of money transfers must be carried out by financial service providers of EUR 1,000 or more.

  • In addition to banks, Insurance companies, notaries, lawyers and gambling providers, all persons and institutions are also obliged to carry out checks if they accept cash amounts in excess of EUR 10,000 or EUR 15,000. These "obliged entities" also include, for example, car dealers, jewelers and real estate agents.

  • All beneficial owners for a business or transaction are entered in a transparency register. Since 2020, this also applies to all foreign property buyers who purchase real estate in Germany. (Nevertheless, in future, obliged entities may not rely solely on the data to be taken from registers, but must check this before a transaction or business relationship and document the results)

  • The maximum fine is no longer 100,000 euros as before, but five million euros.




On 01.12. I once spent a sum on several games, such as Lotto, Keno, Powerballs, Swisslotte etc. with a duration of 5 weeks in the range of 1000 E - 1500 E.
As already described, but unknowingly that this is not permitted with Lottohelden.
As I have written several times before, I would never have done it if I had known about it.

I would sleep more peacefully with Westlotto today.

It's all very difficult for me now.
You spend the whole day dealing with it, you fall asleep at some point after a long day of thinking, and when you wake up again, your head is immediately back in action.

If I only had one wish, I would wish for it all to be over again.

I had a lot of trouble with my current wife yesterday.
I said that if I lost my job because of it, I'd do something to myself.
Because I wouldn't be able to live like that.
Honestly, I didn't tell her that, the first night after I received the letter, I was very close to it.
Since then I've been taking valerian capsules, which really help me to calm down.






I don't want to make any kind of remote diagnosis here or presume to judge you. But don't you think it might be better if you simply discussed the whole thing with a professional if you're so worried and anxious? Like a psychologist or therapist? I mean, you seem to be extremely restricted in your daily life, and what you wrote in the first few paragraphs of your first text can really traumatize or break a person.

Either way, even if you currently feel like the whole world is against you, that's not true. You seem to be a likeable, honest person. People like that often have a harder time in life than some a**hole, but that's exactly the kind of person we need for a good society.

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Traurig
Rookie

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 05:25 pm CET#626
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I'll be in Egypt with my family from Saturday until Boxing Day.
I hope I can relax a bit there. I don't want to spoil the others' days there.
I was really looking forward to it until Friday.
To be honest, before I found the forum here, I searched the internet a lot for like-minded people and read through a lot of Google entries regarding §285.
Unfortunately, that brought me down more than it built me up.
The forum here, which I have now read through from the first to the last page, has given me hope for a good ending again.
I would like to thank you all for all the good encouragement and your help in putting a smile back on my face.

Thank you so much!

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Gewinner
Rookie

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 06:33 pm CET#627
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Hello,

call me paranoid, but can it definitely be ruled out that you will be spared when making deposits and withdrawals at LEGAL casinos?
I have withdrawn over €1,000 from bwin (after depositing) and the bank transfer comes from "Stichting Custodian Worldpay" ? How does the bank know that the money comes from BWIN and not, for example, from Platin?
Just a long number.

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Frankey
Experienced

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 06:50 pm CET#628
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Hulk0707 wrote on 12/12/2024 05:55:

Then why do some ads run under money laundering and others under illegal gambling? All unlicensed operators are abroad. What difference does it make now? Would it be "money laundering" in any case, for any amount and no matter which casino, or am I seeing it wrong?


I don't know, but money is usually laundered abroad. The EU is not really a foreign country. But Curacao is. Perhaps those from overseas are considered money laundering and those in the EU are considered illegal gambling? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Many providers use financial service providers for the transactions. They are registered somewhere else entirely. Who knows who else they have as customers. They may be under suspicion or classified as money launderers.

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frapi07
Elite

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 06:51 pm CET#629
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Win wrote on December 12, 2024 at 6:33 pm: Hello,

call me paranoid, but can it definitely be ruled out that you will be spared when making deposits and withdrawals at LEGAL casinos?
I have withdrawn over €1,000 at bwin (after depositing) and the bank transfer comes from "Stichting Custodian Worldpay" ? How does the bank know that the money comes from BWIN and not, for example, from Platin?
Just a long number.

bwin is legal, so you have nothing to fear. How they know that... no idea. Maybe they have a list.

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Frankey
Experienced

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 07:14 pm CET#630
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Frankey wrote on 12.12.2024 at 18:50:


I don't know, but money is usually laundered abroad. The EU is not really a foreign country. Curacao is though. Perhaps those from overseas are considered money laundering and those in the EU are considered illegal gambling? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Many providers use financial service providers for the transactions. They are registered somewhere else entirely. Who knows who else they have as customers. They may be under suspicion or classified as money launderers.

@Hulk0707 maybe it will help you https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/de/press-room/20240419IPR20586/neue-eu-vorschriften-zur-bekampfung-der-geldwasche-verabschiedet

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Hulk0707
Rookie

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 07:22 pm CET#631
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Traurig wrote on 12.12.2024 at 17:25: From Saturday I'll be in Egypt with the family until Christmas Day.
I hope I can relax a bit there. I don't want to spoil the others' days there either.
I was really looking forward to it until Friday.
To be honest, before I found the forum here, I searched the internet a lot for like-minded people and read through a lot of Google entries regarding §285.
Unfortunately, that brought me down more than it built me up.
The forum here, which I have now read through from the first to the last page, has given me hope for a good ending again.
I would like to thank you all for all the good encouragement and your help in putting a smile back on my face.

Thank you so much!

I think the more you google, the more horror scenarios you find. The ones that went well, the posts usually don't either. And compared to how many people gamble, there's not much going on in the forum

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Hulk0707
Rookie

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 08:24 pm CET#632
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I've also had another look at mine. I've been playing at Lottoland since 2014. always smaller amounts before 2021. Then more again and in the last 10 months I had sales of up to € 2000 (approx. 200 paid in and out per month).
I have NEVER had a request from the bank, which I find very strange. Is it not possible (theoretically) to report to the bank that such transactions were tolerated for years and, for example, direct debits were not simply blocked?

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Olli_Eule
Elite

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 09:37 pm CET#633
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Win wrote on December 12, 2024 at 6:33 pm: Hello,

call me paranoid, but can it definitely be ruled out that you will be spared when making deposits and withdrawals at LEGAL casinos?
I have withdrawn over €1,000 at bwin (after making deposits) and the bank transfer comes from "Stichting Custodian Worldpay" ? How does the bank know that the money comes from BWIN and not, for example, from Platin?
Just a long number.

nevertheless, take a screenshot of the transactions on the Bwin page and save it.


In principle, however, the police would have to prove that you gambled illegally. but since it's a legal site, they can't prove anything either. And it's also a good thing that there's no casino name in the subject line.

https://www.giga.de/artikel/abbuchung-von-stichting-custodian-worldpay-was-ist-das/

This is a payment service Provider that also processes internet purchases. The bank cannot draw any conclusions from this. You could also have sold bitcoins, for example.

I also gamble legally, and the odd payout goes to my bank account. But I haven't had any problems with it so far.

If you have too many such payments, and it's several thousand euros, a bank can also ask.

But there won't be any problems, as Bwin is legal. Nevertheless, I wouldn't make tens of such deposits and withdrawals via the bank.

Does Bwin not have PayPal depositors?

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