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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 62)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 62 of 62 | Answers: 616 | Views: 166,613
Hulk0707
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 10:08 pm CET#614
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Donnie wrote on 11.12.2024 at 22:01:

Because you can block the whole thing but still easily accessible,access to unlicensed casinos


What should you do with casinos that don't have a German license? I have no idea. Some voluntarily leave Germany to avoid court cases, but you can also make money elsewhere


I can't get my head around it any more. I've read through the legal text again. The proposed sentence of 6 months is less than for theft... But why is the charge for money laundering? What makes the bank think that I am laundering money if I Deposit money from my salary in a casino and withdraw less. If so, then you can only speak of aiding and abetting, or am I wrong?

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DieWunderharke5000
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 10:15 pm CET#615
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frapi07 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 21:52

The problem for players is that Lottoland wasn't advertised anywhere until recently. If I want to play the lottery online, for example, I have to do it on the Lotto Bayern website. You certainly won't have found any flyers from Lottoland etc. in bricks-and-mortar shops.

Lottoland used to even run ads on TV (before 2021). I think Sophia Thomalla was their advertising face back then. I mean also for Lottohelden. Other internet stars, youtubers etc. also advertised for them with free coupons etc.


In my opinion, Lottoland is therefore a special case compared to casinos. Many lottery players would never play or bet in a casino in their lives. Lotto somehow has a different position in society, even though it is also a game of chance.

That's why I believe people when they say they had no idea about the legal situation. In comparison, I think most casino players are/were aware that casinos used to be a gray area and are now illegal.


However, I don't understand why they of all people have now been granted a license for their German site and this again shows the absurdity of the German regulations. I could play at the illegal site right now and make myself liable to prosecution, but on the other hand they still get a license to offer their service here in the future.

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Frankey
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 10:34 pm CET#616
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frapi07 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 21:20:

The problem is that just like everyone thought, older people have gambled illegally too. Most people don't find out whether it's illegal or legal. They google something and click on the first results. Accusing players of "intent" is really exaggerated.

You can only shake your head. Some of the psychological damage done to citizens here is really sad. I've often mentioned that you should actually get compensation for this.

It will probably take some time to give up the old habit of 'googling something' and just ask first. If you use Chrome with Google Search and Gemini, you will of course only get answers selected by Google. The same question asked to Brave Search shows Reddit discussions, among others, the AI shows answers from forums etc. and not sites that want to sell me something. And on Firefox I can now add chatgbt as a search engine. So I get suggestions with pros and cons instead of the links to the websites.

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Frankey
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 11:18 pm CET#617
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Hulk0707 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 22:08:


I can't figure this out anymore. I've read through the legal text again. The proposed sentence of 6 months is less than for theft... But why is the charge for money laundering? What makes the bank think that I am laundering money if I Deposit money from my salary in a casino and withdraw less. If so, then you can only speak of aiding and abetting, or am I wrong?

But you deposit it in a casino that is illegal in Germany. And Online Casinos are a way for the mafia to launder money. Do a search for Malta, mafia online casino money laundering. If you make crypto transfers to/from or within the EU from an anonymous wallet, both sender and recipient are suspected of money laundering. The amount does not matter. Whether you sent €50 to your niece for her 18th birthday or a legal transaction worth thousands of euros doesn't matter. We're all a bit more paranoid after our flagship financial services Provider wirecard was exposed.

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Traurig
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 12:26 am CET#618
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Thank you all for your encouragement.
Maybe I'll sleep a little better tonight.

A good night to you all too, have a great Thursday.

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frapi07
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 12:55 am CET#619
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DieWunderharke5000 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 22:15:
Lottoland used to even run ads on TV (before 2021). I think Sophia Thomalla was their advertising face back then. I mean also for Lottohelden. Other internet stars, youtubers etc. also advertised for them with free coupons etc.


In my opinion, Lottoland is therefore a special case compared to casinos. Many lottery players would never play or bet in a casino in their lives. Lotto somehow has a different position in society, even though it is also a game of chance.

That's why I believe people when they say they had no idea about the legal situation. In comparison, I think most casino players are/were aware that casinos used to be a gray area and are now illegal.


However, I don't understand why they of all people have now been granted a license for their German site and this again shows the absurdity of the German regulations. I could play on the illegal site right now and make myself liable to prosecution, but on the other hand they still get a license to offer their service here in the future.

There are other providers who advertised before 2021. Platin has also used many musicians for advertising. But that doesn't matter because it was all before legalization. Back then, playing in an OC was really a gray area (except for Schleswig-Holstein).

However, since legalization at the latest, I can't imagine that Lottoland has been advertised anywhere other than online. I would therefore not classify this directly as intent, but I hope you understand if I am of the opinion that it was clear that an alternative site, where foreign lotteries were also offered and not advertised anywhere else, was not the right site.

This also applies to the OCs players. If you didn't pay attention to this and weren't up to date, then you didn't notice things like the State Treaty on Gambling. It happens very quickly. You only have to be a casual gambler and if we're honest, there are more important things in the world like work and family. Besides, that was 2021, a time when the news was spammed full of corona. That's why I can't subscribe to the idea that the OCs players knew about it. Maybe a lot more lottery players knew about it, that's quite possible. I think you will have heard/read about it in the news, but many people didn't look into it any further. I mean, providers like Paysafecard etc. have abolished the payment function in illegal casinos here in Germany. So you can assume that other payment providers have done the same, which of course is not the case. With Sofort, you could continue to Deposit conveniently via online banking. In addition, many OCs that were illegal initially claimed the 5.3% tax. This also led to many people thinking that playing at Platincasino, for example, was legal.


Frankey wrote on 11.12.2024 at 22:34:

It will probably take some time to give up the old habit of 'googling something' and just ask first. If you use Chrome with Google Search and Gemini, you will of course only get answers selected by Google. The same question asked to Brave Search shows Reddit discussions, among others, the AI shows answers from forums etc. and not sites that want to sell me something. And on Firefox I can now add chatgbt as a search engine. So I get suggestions with pros and cons instead of the links to the websites.

Google has simply established itself and the first thing that is called up when you search for something is simply Google. The older generations will continue to do it this way. Except for people who really work with PCs and are very familiar with them. You'd be surprised how many HR people there are who really only know the basics of a PC. If there are problems, they simply send a ticket to the IT department. They'll sort it out. You don't learn anything that way. The best way to learn is to try to fix a problem yourself.



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Frankey
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

12th Dec. 2024, at 04:38 am CET#620
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frapi07 wrote on 12/12/2024 00:55:
Google has simply established itself and the first thing that is called up when you search for something is simply Google. The older generations will continue to do it that way. Except for people who really work with PCs and are very familiar with them. You'd be surprised how many HR people there are who really only know the basics of a PC. If there are problems, they simply send a ticket to the IT department. They'll sort it out. You don't learn anything that way. The best way to learn is to try to fix a problem yourself.




I also use Google normally for work. When my beloved Xperia XA2 became slower at the end of 2019, I came across the wonderful world of open source apps. I then gradually deactivated the permanently installed apps chrome, Google, Docs etc. Also on the new phone. Until last week, I only had Drive, Gmail and Maps installed. But now that Thunderbird is available for Android again, I no longer need Gmail. Same with Meta FB and Messenger thrown out. The only Meta app I use because I need it for work is WhatsApp. Otherwise I'm unZuckerberged.GUTS is already doing good things, what bothers me is the arrogance. In the ads they say how well Chrome protects our data online. Okay Google, but what are you doing with our data? The only permanently installed Google app that activates on its own and only pulls background data is digital wellbeing. Why? It's the same as before 2013 and Edward Snowden. It's not about them collecting data or tracking me. But until 2013, Google didn't ask me. Google has become more transparent. But why is the Google phone app about 60mb from the Play Store and the open source version from the f droid store only 14mb? On GitHub I can read every line of code and know what is or isn't in the app. I don't know that with the Play Store

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