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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 61)

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gamble1
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:07 pm CET#604
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Traurig wrote on 11.12.2024 at 16:18:

I will be 58 years old next March.

How stupid I must be to bring such a problem into my life.
If I hadn't received the letter from the police last Friday, I wouldn't know in 10 years whether Lottohelden has a license or not in Germany.

When I buy a car from a car dealership, I don't check every engine part for registration in Germany beforehand.
I trust them.
As I wrote before, regarding Lottohelden and their internet presence, IT DOESN'T GET ANY MORE GERMAN!

§Section 285 always includes intent.
But that's not okay overall!
I have never acted with intent.
I would rather have chopped off my hands!

Please don't drive yourself so crazy. Yes, you did something illegal, but this act is also so minor. It's almost worse if you drive through a red light, because then you could at least be accused of endangering other people.
There has also been talk of classifying this offense as an administrative offense. This shows you how minor the whole thing actually is. And as the police officer has already said: You didn't kill anyone, so you're not a criminal and certainly not a bad person!
Your pension won't be taken away from you either (I know the fear, I have a few civil servants in the family). Just enjoy Christmas. 99% of the time, this will be over just as quickly as it happened. And if you want to talk, there are plenty of people here around the clock who are happy to listen.

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:16 pm CET#605
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gamble1 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 21:07:

Please don't make yourself so crazy. Yes, you did something illegal, but this offense is also so minor. It's almost worse if you drive through a red light, because you could at least be accused of endangering other people.
There has also been talk of classifying this offense as an administrative offense. This shows you how minor the whole thing actually is. And as the police officer has already said: You didn't kill anyone, so you're not a criminal and certainly not a bad person!
Your pension won't be taken away from you either (I know the fear, I have a few civil servants in the family). Just enjoy Christmas. 99% of the time, this will be over just as quickly as it happened. And if you want to talk, there are plenty of people here around the clock who are happy to listen.


Can only agree 100%.

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frapi07
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:20 pm CET#606
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gamble1 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 21:07:

Please don't make yourself so crazy. Yes, you did something illegal, but this offense is also so minor. It's almost worse if you drive through a red light, because you could at least be accused of endangering other people.
There has also been talk of classifying this offense as an administrative offense. This shows you how minor the whole thing actually is. And as the police officer has already said: You didn't kill anyone, so you're not a criminal and certainly not a bad person!
Your pension won't be taken away from you either (I know the fear, I have a few civil servants in the family). Just enjoy Christmas. 99% of the time, this will be over just as quickly as it happened. And if you want to talk, there are plenty of people here around the clock who are happy to listen.


The problem is that, just as everyone thought, older people have also gambled illegally. Most people don't find out whether it's illegal or legal. They google something and click on the first results. Accusing the player of "intent" is really exaggerated.

You can only shake your head. Some of the psychological damage done to citizens here is really sad. I've often mentioned that you should actually get compensation for this.

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Hulk0707
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:31 pm CET#607
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frapi07 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 21:20:

The problem is that just like everyone thought, older people have gambled illegally too. Most people don't find out whether it's illegal or legal. They google something and click on the first results. Accusing players of "intent" is really exaggerated.

You can only shake your head. Some of the psychological damage done to citizens here is really sad. I've often mentioned that you should actually get compensation for this.

I am still of the opinion that the legislator has a duty to simply block such sites. If any layperson can find such sites, then our justice system should be able to do so without any problems. Lottoland = illegal site is blocked and that's that. Or at least add a warning that this Provider is illegal and that playing there is a criminal offense. I mean, what a job the judiciary has to do because of crap like this. People are accused of money laundering when they Deposit and withdraw money OFFICIALLY via their account at Lottoland. What kind of idiot does that who wants to launder money? That's just absurd

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Donnie
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:45 pm CET#608
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Hulk0707 wrote on 11/12/2024 21:31:

I am still of the opinion that the legislator has a duty to simply block such sites. If any layperson can find such sites, then our judiciary should be able to do so without any problems. Lottoland = illegal site is blocked and that's that. Or at least add a warning that this Provider is illegal and that playing there is a criminal offense. I mean, what a job the judiciary has to do because of crap like this. People are accused of money laundering when they Deposit and withdraw money OFFICIALLY via their account at Lottoland. What kind of idiot does that who wants to launder money? That's just absurd

Everyone here should know Kinox (just as an example), a site where you can watch movies and series illegally. You can't open this site with a normal browser, you get a message from a clearing house. The site is virtually blocked. You could do the same with casinos. But there are VPNs that still allow such sites to be opened normally. The same would then happen with casinos, they would simply continue to play with VPN. Is it even possible to find a sensible regulation without people receiving mail from the police or public prosecutor's office? The only thing I can think of is to make the German offer more attractive, but that won't happen as long as the state wants to see money. It would be pretty difficult to hold the operators abroad accountable, so that the operators of unlicensed casinos pay their taxes here. Online Casinos are actually still a gray area

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gamble1
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:50 pm CET#609
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frapi07 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 21:20:

The problem is that just like everyone thought, older people have gambled illegally too. Most people don't find out whether it's illegal or legal. They google something and click on the first results. Accusing players of "intent" is really exaggerated.

You can only shake your head. Some of the psychological damage done to citizens here is really sad. I've often mentioned that you should actually get compensation for this.

I'm with you on that. I've also often said that, especially with regard to these zero-tolerance investigations, some of which even include house searches, I consider the social and psychological damage to be considerably greater than the benefit that society ultimately derives from it.
In my opinion, a reduction to a misdemeanor would make sense, especially because there are so many old cases that may have arisen at a time when things like whitelists or other regulations were still so new that no one can be blamed if they simply didn't know what they were doing or where they were playing.
I also take a critical view of criminal prosecution for those who deliberately played on such sites. Basically, it could be anyone - from bakers and police officers to judges and politicians. They are not criminals, but normal people like you and me.
Opening such a can of worms just to enforce the law by any means seems disproportionate to me and often does more harm than good to society in the end.


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frapi07
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:52 pm CET#610
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Hulk0707 wrote on 11/12/2024 21:31:

I am still of the opinion that the legislator has a duty to simply block such sites. If any layperson can find such sites, then our judiciary should be able to do so without any problems. Lottoland = illegal site is blocked and that's that. Or at least add a warning that this Provider is illegal and that playing there is a criminal offense. I mean, what a job the judiciary has to do because of crap like this. People are accused of money laundering when they Deposit and withdraw money OFFICIALLY via their account at Lottoland. What kind of idiot does that who wants to launder money? That's just absurd

It's a good idea in itself, but such behavior would certainly come under criticism for censorship. Some Internet providers have tried several times to block "adult sites". This has not been done since yesterday, but for almost 20 years. As you can see, you can't just block sites like that or make them inaccessible for a country.

A warning cannot be attached, as the operators of the site can only do this. They certainly won't do this, as they would lose German customers. Google etc. certainly won't either.

The problem for players is that Lottoland was not advertised anywhere until recently. If I want to play the lottery online, for example, I have to do so on the Lotto Bayern website. You certainly won't have found any flyers from Lottoland etc. in bricks-and-mortar shops.

The root of this problem is that many senior citizens are unable to navigate the Internet. You can tell from the cases of fraud that are currently happening. I was certainly no better at the beginning. I don't want to know how many viruses I got on my PC or what other unnecessary programs I downloaded.

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Hulk0707
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:53 pm CET#611
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Donnie wrote on December 11th, 2024 at 9:45 pm:

Everyone here should know Kinox (just as an example), a site where you can watch movies and series illegally. You can't open this site with a normal browser, you get a message from a clearing house. The site is virtually blocked. You could do the same with casinos. But there are VPNs that still allow such sites to be opened normally. The same would then happen with casinos, they would simply continue to play with VPN. Is it even possible to find a sensible regulation without people receiving mail from the police or public prosecutor's office? The only thing I can think of is to make the German offer more attractive, but that won't happen as long as the state wants to see money. It would be pretty difficult to hold the operators abroad accountable, so that the operators of unlicensed casinos pay their taxes here. Online Casinos are actually still a gray area

Why is it still a gray area?

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Frankey
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 09:55 pm CET#612
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Hulk0707 wrote on 11/12/2024 21:31:

I am still of the opinion that the legislator has a duty to simply block such sites. If any layperson can find such sites, then our judiciary should be able to do so without any problems. Lottoland = illegal site is blocked and that's that. Or at least add a warning that this Provider is illegal and that playing there is a criminal offense. I mean, what a job the judiciary has to do because of crap like this. People are accused of money laundering when they Deposit and withdraw money OFFICIALLY via their account at Lottoland. What kind of idiot does that who wants to launder money? That's just absurd

I'm right there with you. They do it elsewhere. Here's an example. Go to Wallmart US from Germany and you'll only see alarm guns on offer. At least those with a license from somewhere overseas should not be visible here. For those with Malta or another EU license, I can imagine that there is some kind of EU law or law that all EU content must be accessible everywhere in the EU. Or something like that. Nevertheless, these casinos should be obliged to display a warning before players register. From their location it is illegal...... and not somewhere in the terms and conditions just a note that the players themselves are responsible to check whether playing in the casino is in accordance with local legislation.

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Donnie
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

11th Dec. 2024, at 10:01 pm CET#613
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Hulk0707 wrote on 11/12/2024 21:53:

Why another gray area?

Because you can block the whole thing, but still easily accessible, access to unlicensed casinos


What should you do with casinos that don't want a German license? I have no idea. Some voluntarily leave Germany to avoid court cases, there is also money to be made elsewhere

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