Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 59)

Theodor wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:06:

Your depositors are so minor, this is 100% discontinued. Read through the posts here in the thread. There are players with much higher sums who were suspended without conditions. So don't worry too much (even if that's easy to say) and enjoy the Christmas season.

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Traurig wrote on 11.12.2024 at 13:42: Hello dear forum,

i was also hit pretty hard again last Friday.
in 2008, my ex-wife exchanged me for someone else in a very bad way and took all my children away from me.
I didn't want to live twice as long, spent 4 months in a day clinic and almost 10 years in psychological treatment.
My new partner made my life better again, until yesterday, Friday, which threw me back completely.

I got mail from the police, a summons for illegal gambling (§285 StGB) ...plus the place of residence, address on 01.12.2021.
In addition, the date mid-January 2025, further information such as instructions etc.

I thought, deep inside myself, I, what have I done? I no longer understood the world. I really thought, since I actually like to trick others, now I've been caught, am I on hidden camera?

I know, I only found out later from the lawyer at the legal expenses Insurance company, as well as on the Internet, not to follow the letter, just to contact a lawyer.

So I picked up the phone beforehand and called the police. The man on the phone was able to identify me straight away.
I asked, actually trembling, really, my heart was racing, I felt sick - how can that be, what have I done????!!!!
He then told me that I had played with Deutsche Lotto und Toto Limited.

I told him that yes, I had played Westlotto, including Keno there.
He immediately said - no, Westlotto is allowed.
And immediately added that it was Lottohelden
I said, Lottohelden, what is that, but I had somehow heard the term before.
I went to the PC and asked again, what was it called?
He said Lottohelden.
I typed it into the search engine, opened the site and immediately said, I used to play there, Lotto, Keno etc.

How is that illegal?
He said they don't have a license for Germany.
I said, that can't be true, honestly, to everyone here, I didn't understand the world anymore.
Was I still on hidden camera?????

He described to me depositors from the bank statement, normal things like health insurance etc., but in addition profit receipts.
Sitting in front of the computer, I told him ... (I would like to emphasize that he was really friendly and calm, not arrogant) ... have a look at the homepage yourself.
What is forbidden there, it is called DEUTSCHE Lotto und Toto, plus a domain Lottohelden.de, a telephone support number from Hamburg, a GERMAN contact e-mail address, plus excellent as a test winner and and and.

He said that playing on this site was illegal and not allowed in Germany.
I asked what it was all about.
He told me 1000 euros.

I asked him, "1000 euros? Where did I win 1000 euros?
He then described some of the winnings to me again.

My winnings were, of course, because I had entered Lotto Wednesday, Saturday, Keno, Eurojackpott and Powerballs for 5 weeks. Plus a small ticket for the El Gordo Christmas lottery.

I only did that because I had some money left over from back payments.

As described above, the whole thing knocked the rug out from under my feet, honestly, I felt pressure on my chest, my head was in such a mess, my mouth was totally dry and tears were streaming easily from my eyes.

In between, I also told him that I am a retired civil servant myself and that I would never have taken part in illegal games in my life.
I also told him that I'm an orderly person, honest, have never stolen anything in my life, even returned a wallet I found many years ago with over 700 DM and an account card to the owner.
Everyone who knows me always says I'm far too nice for this world.

He probably noticed that I was getting worse and worse, tried to calm me down... Mr. XXXXX, you haven't committed murder, sit down, have a cup of tea, and so on.

At the end of the conversation he also said, Mr. XXXXX, maybe this case will be dropped.

But I begged him if I could come over right away, I wanted to get the matter out of the way, I didn't want to wait until the interrogation date in mid-January.

He took a quick look and said: I could give you an appointment for Monday morning at xx.xx am.
I said, yes, thank you, thank you very much.
He reassured me again, come down, enjoy the weekend, switch off etc.

He was actually quite nice.

After the phone call, I was now very clear in my head about the appointment on Monday.

When I hung up, I sat on the chair, completely exhausted.
Then I called my good friend who works at the insurance company and told him everything.
He then gave me the number of my legal protection insurance policy.
I then called them too and was put through to a lawyer.
After I told him everything, he told me not to go to the appointment on Monday.
You're not going there.
I got scared and told him that if I didn't go, they'd probably think I had a guilty conscience and so on.
He said that's nonsense, on the contrary, police officers are trained, and since I'm in my head now anyway, if I tell them something, it could happen that they turn words over in my mouth.
So, he said, after a written summons from the police, you never take part as a defendant in this case (§285) without the help of a lawyer.
He then gave me the name of a lawyer responsible for the insurance company in my area.
Said, call them, don't go to the appointment on Monday. You don't have to cancel it either, only if you are a friendly person can you do it.
He said that the legal expenses insurance would not be able to cover me for the time being, as §285 is always classified as intentional.

Intentional ??!!
Stop, because I would never have played there in my life if I had known that.

FOR YOU:
When I go to the supermarket and buy butter, I trust the supermarket, pay for it and go home.
ALSO, I bought butter IN ADVANCE.
If my wife then realizes at home, honey, look, it's long past its best-before date.
Then, of course, I go back because I would never have bought it on purpose.

Of course, I then called the lawyer straight away to make an appointment. The only thing that came on late on Friday afternoon was the tape.
I spoke to them and also used the contact form on the website.

The law firm called me on Monday morning and briefly explained the facts of the case. They put me through to the lawyer straight away.
I described everything to him again and he said I should bring him the summons and the legal protection insurance certificate and sign a power of attorney there.
He said he had already had 2 cases like this recently, both of which were closed.
As soon as he has all my data, he will request access to the files, then either contact me or take action himself.
Finally, he told me to cancel the appointment with the police straight away.

My wife did that for me because I was so full of sedatives that I couldn't do it.
Well, the policeman on Friday was nice, but I couldn't do it any more.

So my wife took over the call. And when she hung up, she said I should be glad I hadn't gone today.
Mr. XXXXX from Friday, who was on the phone now, would have taken over the interrogation right away.
And according to my wife, this gentleman was quite rude, cold and arrogant on the phone.
My wife said: "I know you didn't know it, but he would have taken you apart in your condition.
He would have twisted your every word.

From Friday to Monday morning, it was the worst weekend of my life.
I didn't eat anything, hardly drank anything and hardly slept at all.
From Friday to Saturday I spent the whole night googling, honestly, somehow it got me down even more.
At some point, I dozed off for a moment and when I opened my eyes again, I thought: Was it all a dream ????
At the same time, I immediately got pressure in my chest again ... I knew it from my old depression thing many years ago ... was psychological stress according to the doctors.

It was not a dream!

Really, you can put me in the lie detector chair, I swear on everything I love, I would never have taken part in anything like that.

Lottohelden ... I don't feel like a perpetrator, I feel like a victim.

Finally, I would like to mention that I now know why my bank at the time terminated my contract in August 2023 without giving any reason.
Today I am well aware of why.
However, the bank terminated my contract even though I hadn't spent any more money on such games for many months.
Even now, after a year with a new bank, I've never taken part in anything like that again.
Without this letter from the police, I would never have done it again.

To conclude, thank you for letting me get my grief off my chest, I hope I haven't annoyed you here.
I'm sitting here with a pain in my chest, wanting to pull open a zipper and leave this body.

I feel very, very bad.
I WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE ANYTHING ILLEGAL IN MY LIFE.
If only because of my job and my personality.

Dear God, please help me...

Sad greetings to everyone here.

At least have a Merry Christmas, mine are messed up. Stay HEALTHY everyone.

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Traurig wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:27:

The policeman spoke on the phone of around 1000 euros that I won together.
But my total bet must have been higher (maybe 1500 euros) because I never got my money out again.

But after 3 years I can no longer remember how much I spent where.
I also went to Westlotto in between. Which is not forbidden.

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Hulk0707 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:31:

4 years later after the crime came the letter?????

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Traurig wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:45:

Nope, summons unauthorized gambling on 12/01/2021.


Norisbank canceled my account in August 2023 as of November 2023.

Last Friday on 06.12.2024 I got the mail from the police.

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Theodor wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:47:

Fierce that some bank employee still ratted you out to the authorities 2 years after the "crime".

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Traurig wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:27:

The policeman spoke on the phone of around 1000 euros that I won together.
But my total bet must have been higher (maybe 1500 euros) because I never got my money out again.

But after 3 years I can no longer remember how much I spent where.
I also went to Westlotto in between. Which is not forbidden.

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Hulk0707 wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:49:

So August 23 your account was canceled and only now the notice came? And the cases to which this referred are from 21-23? Why did it take so long until something came from the bank? May I ask which bank you were with?

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dan3b3n wrote on 11.12.2024 at 14:48:

neither 4 nor 2, it's 3. lets hope if it continues like this

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Hulk0707 wrote on 11/12/2024 14:49:

So August 23 your account was canceled and only now the notice came? And the cases to which this referred are from 21-23? Why did it take so long until something came from the bank? May I ask which bank you were with?

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