Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 56)

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machtkeinspass wrote on 03.12.2024 at 00:20: Today I got access to the file, which goes back about 5 years into the past... Several banks have reported several transfers, some accounts have also been terminated by them.
The wins are almost in the 6-digit range, which were also gambled away again, but that "is not punishable"...

According to the lawyer, the whole thing will not end in prison... Would be even nicer...

Possible outcomes:

it can be stopped completely.
(Certified Gambling addiction, therapy, blocking - that helps)

be discontinued in return for a higher fine - but this is not considered appropriate as I already have a lot of debts anyway.

The lawyer assumes that in the worst case it would amount to less than 60 daily rates. Although he also said: the court also knows that a fine is not appropriate

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machtkeinspass wrote on 03.12.2024 at 00:20: Today I got access to the file, which goes back about 5 years into the past... Several banks have reported several transfers, some of the accounts were also terminated by them.
The wins are almost in the 6-digit range, which were also gambled away again, but that "is not punishable"...

According to the lawyer, the whole thing will not end in prison... Would be even nicer...

Possible outcomes:

it can be stopped completely.
(Certified Gambling addiction, therapy, blocking - that helps)

be discontinued in return for a higher fine - but this is not considered appropriate as I already have a lot of debts anyway.

The lawyer assumes that in the worst case it would amount to less than 60 daily rates. However, he also said that the court knows that a fine is not appropriate

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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 10:52 am:

Hi,

First of all I wish you that you get away well. I'm really curious to see what happens next. I hope that the public prosecutor's office doesn't crack down as hard as they did on me... in my case it was a low 5-figure sum. The penalty order demanded a fine of 80 daily rates and the confiscation of all the wins.
I spoke to the person from the public prosecutor's office in person and explained my situation, saying that even if I accepted the fine, which I won't do, I wouldn't be able to pay it because I still have debts myself, etc. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. They then came up with personal insolvency and shit, even though debts from criminal offenses are not affected. However, I would then no longer have my other debts after 3 years and could have paid off the 5-digit sum in wins + 80 daily rates in installments. Well, that's just the way the public prosecutor's office is, they don't care that they're destroying your life. They want the money from you and that's it. Depending on the evidence (deposits and withdrawals directly from the casino to your bank account and vice versa? Or with a wallet or similar in between?), I would advise you to aim for a conditional plea (which shouldn't normally be that high). In my case, the public prosecutor's office unfortunately rejected this right from the start and didn't let me talk to them. Try to talk to your lawyer about it so that he can possibly negotiate with the public prosecutor's office.
I wish you all the best and keep us up to date. Fingers crossed.

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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 10:52 am:

Hi,

First of all I wish you that you get away well. I'm really curious to see what happens next. I hope that the public prosecutor's office doesn't crack down as hard as they did on me... in my case it was a low 5-figure sum. The penalty order demanded a fine of 80 daily rates and the confiscation of all the wins.
I spoke to the person from the public prosecutor's office in person and explained my situation, saying that even if I accepted the fine, which I won't do, I wouldn't be able to pay it because I still have debts myself, etc. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. They then came up with personal insolvency and shit, even though debts from criminal offenses are not affected. However, I would then no longer have my other debts after 3 years and could have paid off the 5-digit sum in wins + 80 daily rates in installments. Well, that's just the way the public prosecutor's office is, they don't care that they're destroying your life. They want the money from you and that's it. Depending on the evidence (deposits and withdrawals directly from the casino to your bank account and vice versa? Or with a wallet or similar in between?), I would advise you to aim for a conditional plea (which shouldn't normally be that high). In my case, the public prosecutor's office unfortunately rejected this right from the start and didn't let me talk to them. Try to talk to your lawyer about it so that he can possibly negotiate with the public prosecutor's office.
I wish you all the best and keep us up to date. Fingers crossed.

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Theodor wrote on 03.12.2024 at 11:11 am:

I thought your case was dropped due to lack of evidence without any penalty?

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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 11:31 am:

Yes, you are right. But the road was long. It was all very complicated and unpleasant. Everything including house searches and confiscation etc was involved. Fortunately, there was no evidence on the confiscated device and the depositors and withdrawals did not go directly through the casino and bank account. So the evidence was very spongy. That's why I keep asking. What can be seen on the bank statements? That is an important point.

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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 11:31 am:

Yes, you are right. But the road was long. It was all very complicated and unpleasant. Everything including house searches and confiscation etc was involved. Fortunately, there was no evidence on the confiscated device and the depositors and withdrawals did not go directly through the casino and bank account. So the evidence was very spongy. That's why I keep asking. What can be seen on the bank statements? That is an important point.

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