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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 56)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 56 of 82 | Answers: 819 | Views: 194,233
machtkeinspass
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 02:55 am CET#553
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Supplement:

Not necessarily the right place here.

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 07:05 am CET#554
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machtkeinspass wrote on 03.12.2024 at 00:20: Today I got access to the file, which goes back about 5 years into the past... Several banks have reported several transfers, some accounts have also been terminated by them.
The wins are almost in the 6-digit range, which were also gambled away again, but that "is not punishable"...

According to the lawyer, the whole thing will not end in prison... Would be even nicer...

Possible outcomes:

it can be stopped completely.
(Certified Gambling addiction, therapy, blocking - that helps)

be discontinued in return for a higher fine - but this is not considered appropriate as I already have a lot of debts anyway.

The lawyer assumes that in the worst case it would amount to less than 60 daily rates. Although he also said: the court also knows that a fine is not appropriate

Some people here wait months for the file inspection and yours is there after less than a week, wtf? Keep your fingers crossed!

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pirat107
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 10:52 am CET#555
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machtkeinspass wrote on 03.12.2024 at 00:20: Today I got access to the file, which goes back about 5 years into the past... Several banks have reported several transfers, some of the accounts were also terminated by them.
The wins are almost in the 6-digit range, which were also gambled away again, but that "is not punishable"...

According to the lawyer, the whole thing will not end in prison... Would be even nicer...

Possible outcomes:

it can be stopped completely.
(Certified Gambling addiction, therapy, blocking - that helps)

be discontinued in return for a higher fine - but this is not considered appropriate as I already have a lot of debts anyway.

The lawyer assumes that in the worst case it would amount to less than 60 daily rates. However, he also said that the court knows that a fine is not appropriate

Hi,

First of all, I hope you get off lightly. I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens next. I hope that the public prosecutor's office won't be as harsh as they were with me... I was fined a low 5-digit amount. The penalty order demanded a fine of 80 daily rates and the confiscation of all the wins.
I spoke to the person from the public prosecutor's office in person and explained my situation, saying that even if I accepted the fine, which I won't do, I wouldn't be able to pay it because I still have debts myself, etc. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. They then came up with personal insolvency and shit, even though debts from criminal offenses are not affected. However, I would then no longer have my other debts after 3 years and could have paid off the 5-digit sum in wins + 80 daily rates in installments. Well, that's just the way the public prosecutor's office is, they don't care that they're destroying your life. They want the money from you and that's it. Depending on the evidence (deposits and withdrawals directly from the casino to your bank account and vice versa? Or with a wallet or similar in between?), I would advise you to aim for a conditional plea (which shouldn't normally be that high). In my case, the public prosecutor's office unfortunately rejected this right from the start and didn't let me talk to them. Try to talk to your lawyer about it so that he can possibly negotiate with the public prosecutor's office.
I wish you all the best and keep us up to date. Fingers crossed.

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 11:11 am CET#556
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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 10:52 am:

Hi,

First of all I wish you that you get away well. I'm really curious to see what happens next. I hope that the public prosecutor's office doesn't crack down as hard as they did on me... in my case it was a low 5-figure sum. The penalty order demanded a fine of 80 daily rates and the confiscation of all the wins.
I spoke to the person from the public prosecutor's office in person and explained my situation, saying that even if I accepted the fine, which I won't do, I wouldn't be able to pay it because I still have debts myself, etc. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. They then came up with personal insolvency and shit, even though debts from criminal offenses are not affected. However, I would then no longer have my other debts after 3 years and could have paid off the 5-digit sum in wins + 80 daily rates in installments. Well, that's just the way the public prosecutor's office is, they don't care that they're destroying your life. They want the money from you and that's it. Depending on the evidence (deposits and withdrawals directly from the casino to your bank account and vice versa? Or with a wallet or similar in between?), I would advise you to aim for a conditional plea (which shouldn't normally be that high). In my case, the public prosecutor's office unfortunately rejected this right from the start and didn't let me talk to them. Try to talk to your lawyer about it so that he can possibly negotiate with the public prosecutor's office.
I wish you all the best and keep us up to date. Fingers crossed.

I thought your case was dropped due to lack of evidence without any penalty?

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 11:16 am CET#557
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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 10:52 am:

Hi,

First of all I wish you that you get away well. I'm really curious to see what happens next. I hope that the public prosecutor's office doesn't crack down as hard as they did on me... in my case it was a low 5-figure sum. The penalty order demanded a fine of 80 daily rates and the confiscation of all the wins.
I spoke to the person from the public prosecutor's office in person and explained my situation, saying that even if I accepted the fine, which I won't do, I wouldn't be able to pay it because I still have debts myself, etc. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit. They then came up with personal insolvency and shit, even though debts from criminal offenses are not affected. However, I would then no longer have my other debts after 3 years and could have paid off the 5-digit sum in wins + 80 daily rates in installments. Well, that's just the way the public prosecutor's office is, they don't care that they're destroying your life. They want the money from you and that's it. Depending on the evidence (deposits and withdrawals directly from the casino to your bank account and vice versa? Or with a wallet or similar in between?), I would advise you to aim for a conditional plea (which shouldn't normally be that high). In my case, the public prosecutor's office unfortunately rejected this right from the start and didn't let me talk to them. Try to talk to your lawyer about it so that he can possibly negotiate with the public prosecutor's office.
I wish you all the best and keep us up to date. Fingers crossed.

The fact that only the wins are taken into account without the losses would drive hundreds of players to suicide. That will never happen.

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pirat107
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 11:31 am CET#558
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Theodor wrote on 03.12.2024 at 11:11 am:

I thought your case was dropped due to lack of evidence without any penalty?

Yes, you're right about that. But it was a long road. It was all very complicated and unpleasant. Everything including house searches and confiscation etc was involved. Fortunately, there was no evidence on the confiscated device and the depositors and withdrawals did not go directly through the casino and bank account. So the evidence was very spongy. That's why I keep asking. What can be seen on the bank statements? That is an important point.

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 01:11 pm CET#559
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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 11:31 am:

Yes, you are right. But the road was long. It was all very complicated and unpleasant. Everything including house searches and confiscation etc was involved. Fortunately, there was no evidence on the confiscated device and the depositors and withdrawals did not go directly through the casino and bank account. So the evidence was very spongy. That's why I keep asking. What can be seen on the bank statements? That is an important point.

Well, but that can give hope to all those affected who acted without intent, that although the public prosecutor's office threatened you with such severe consequences, the proceedings were finally dropped without any conditions.

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Hulk0707
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

3rd Dec. 2024, at 03:13 pm CET#560
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pirat107 wrote on 03.12.2024 at 11:31 am:

Yes, you are right. But the road was long. It was all very complicated and unpleasant. Everything including house searches and confiscation etc was involved. Fortunately, there was no evidence on the confiscated device and the depositors and withdrawals did not go directly through the casino and bank account. So the evidence was very spongy. That's why I keep asking. What can be seen on the bank statements? That is an important point.

Have you still been playing since then?

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machtkeinspass
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

5th Dec. 2024, at 01:36 am CET#561
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I was also surprised that the file arrived so quickly.
According to his lawyer, he thinks the court will reply before Christmas.

I think a house search because of casino games is very exaggerated. Most players already have nothing anyway.
Over the years, I've sometimes sold everything to finance my addiction.
In the end, I even sold my car and bought an old junk car because I thought I could win more with the money...
Absolutely stupid...

What do they want to do in the end? Garnish my salary? If they reclaim the winnings, I'll be paying them off until I retire. Which is another 25 years... In addition, I sometimes have a job and sometimes not. I move from one company to the next.

The money was won and credited to my normal current account but then gambled away again online in no time at all.

The letter has already been drawn up by the lawyer. In other words, it says that I'm already ruined anyway and was stupid enough to sign up to internet casinos and sink my money...
The tragic thing about the whole thing is that they didn't even know it wasn't legal.
If they had, they would never have done this crap.
The sites all looked legal.
They always said licensed, verified, secure, etc.

In the end, I just hope that the whole case is dropped and no fine is imposed.

I would have to pay any fine anyway. But I already have less left than the seizure-free limit.



As soon as I get an answer, I'll post it here.

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machtkeinspass
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

5th Dec. 2024, at 01:49 am CET#562
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pirat107 wrote on December 03, 2024 at 11:31 am:

Yes, you are right. But it was a long road. It was all very complicated and unpleasant. Everything including house searches and confiscation etc was involved. Fortunately, there was no evidence on the confiscated device and the depositors and withdrawals did not go directly through the casino and bank account. So the evidence was very spongy. That's why I keep asking. What can be seen on the bank statements? That is an important point.

You can already see where the money comes from. The public prosecutor's office also writes that for the most part they know exactly which companies are legal to pay out at the online casino and which are not. However, the file also shows amounts where the public prosecutor's office cannot prove it with certainty, which is also communicated - but these are listed anyway.


In any case, the file is huge. There are countless transactions.

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