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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 52)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 52 of 71 | Answers: 707 | Views: 181,906
Jasonknz878
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

25th Nov. 2024, at 02:48 pm CET#513
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Is there anything new with anyone?

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solaris

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

25th Nov. 2024, at 06:04 pm CET#514
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On 20.11.24 I received a summons from the police (Karlsruhe region) for unauthorized gambling. I was very tense and immediately contacted a lawyer. The lawyer asked the authorities for access to the files. We are waiting for that.

Does anyone here have any experience with the Karlsruhe public prosecutor's office? Thank you!

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yildir
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

25th Nov. 2024, at 07:24 pm CET#515
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solaris wrote on 25.11.2024 at 18:04: On 20.11.24 I received a summons from the police (Karlsruhe region) for unauthorized gambling. I was very tense and immediately contacted a lawyer. The lawyer asked the authorities for access to the files. We are waiting for that.

Does anyone here have any experience with the Karlsruhe public prosecutor's office? Thank you

Are you with Solarisbank? How did you Deposit from your bank account into the casino or via an e-wallet?

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Schaender

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Nov. 2024, at 02:48 pm CET#516
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The following:
At the beginning of this year, I received a letter from the CRIMINAL DÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄZERNNNNNNNAAAT, it was about the accusation of illegal gambling in May 2023. They referred to a payout in the four-digit range, but this was a listed casino.
The reason why I was probably reported (it must have been the nice potato bank) was a depositor at Platincasino at the beginning of 2023, but they probably got the whole thing mixed up.
I didn't respond to the summons, and a month later I received a letter from the public prosecutor's office saying that the proceedings would be discontinued.

Funnily enough, another month later I received an application letter from another court saying that I should not expect a fine but that the four-figure amount described above should be confiscated. The letter of request contained nothing but absolute garbage, i.e. the amount that was paid out was paid out by a legal casino. The casino I was supposed to have used to gamble illegally was an online store that only sounds like a casino but is not one. Furthermore, there were other errors in the application letter, i.e. in the sense that this is a Slot machine game of chance and not a skill game like Poker, which is completely irrelevant according to the 2021 gambling treaty. What I'm trying to say is that they themselves have no idea about their own legislation, but that I've "condoned playing with a Provider without a valid license.
I objected to the whole thing in writing and enclosed some proof that the amount paid out came from a legal casino. 5 months later, I received another invitation from the CRIMINAL DIRECTOR'S OFFICE, which I carefully ignored. After almost half a year, I received a 4-line letter stating that the collection of the money would be waived due to my letter. Which is very funny because you have exactly two weeks to react to the application letter.

Our German justice system is once again showing its best side.... The whole thing is just bizarre.

I am reported to the police by my own bank because of a Deposit of €400, they have to rule, then the proceedings are discontinued, then reopened with only crap in the application and then half a year later you get a quatrain.
Obviously they must not have much to do.

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Theodor
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Nov. 2024, at 04:09 pm CET#517
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Are there any players here who were allowed to keep a large win after being reported and after the introduction of the State Treaty on Gambling? The cases that the H&H lawyers from Munich took on and were published here in the forum were before 2021... Since then, the state seems to have consistently skimmed off all wins, or am I wrong?

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Stromberg
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

28th Nov. 2024, at 10:08 am CET#518
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Theodor wrote on 27.11.2024 at 16:09: Are there any players here who were allowed to keep a high win after being reported and after the introduction of the State Treaty on Gambling? The cases that the H&H lawyers from Munich took on and became public here in the forum were before 2021... Since then, the state seems to have consistently skimmed off all wins, or am I seeing it wrong?

I've lost track a bit here, but I'm relatively sure that the cases where the win is to be ripped off are currently still the absolute minority, right? Feel free to correct me...
I've only ever heard this from mtoro and it's only been a few weeks or a few months since he posted it here.

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Hulk0707
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

29th Nov. 2024, at 12:53 pm CET#519
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Did the cases reported here always involve charges of money laundering or "only" illegal gambling?

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Hulk0707
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

29th Nov. 2024, at 01:58 pm CET#520
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Stromberg wrote on 28.11.2024 at 10:08 am:
I've lost track a bit here, but I'm relatively sure that the cases where the win is to be ripped off are currently still the absolute minority, right? Feel free to correct me...
I've only ever heard this from mtoro and it's only been a few weeks or a few months since he posted it here.

Does that mean that the win is not offset against the bet and in the worst case you even have to pay the profit back to the state?

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Stromberg
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

29th Nov. 2024, at 04:00 pm CET#521
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Hulk0707 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 13:58:
That means the win is not offset against the bet and in the worst case you even have to pay the win back to the state?

In this case, at least that was the idea, and only a short period of time was taken into account in which many wins were made.


https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/allgemeines/staatsanwaltschaft-will-einziehung-von-wertersatz-415872/7/#p420278

Unfortunately, I can't tell you exactly how it all works and what will eventually become legally binding and standard or not...

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Rehab

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

30th Nov. 2024, at 01:54 pm CET#522
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Hello everyone,
i have been reading here for a few months because I also received a friendly letter from the police, and now I would like to share my experiences with you.

I received the following letter:
in a preliminary investigation pending here, you are accused of committing / participating in the following criminal offense
accused:
Participation in illegal gambling according to $ 285 StGB


Addition
It has come to the attention of the police via your bank that in the period May 2022 you repeatedly made
Payments to the lotteries "Videoslots" and "Red Rhino Ltd", which are not legitimized in Germany.


That was a huge shock for me at first - I never really took the whole issue seriously.
I immediately called several lawyers who specialized in gambling law,
All of them were immediately willing to take on the case, but I was suspicious of the price differences.
3 law firms offered me a lump sum for the entire case of between 1200-2400€, which seemed quite expensive to me if the proceedings were to be discontinued.

I then found a lawyer who didn't want to know anything about a flat rate and only charged me for the actual work involved. I instructed him directly and he only wanted an advance invoice of just under €300 for the first few steps.
He took up the work directly and first informed the police that I was exercising my right to remain silent and requested access to the files, that was on 26.08.2024
That was the last status for a long time and I didn't hear anything more about the whole matter until yesterday, yesterday finally came the redeeming news that my proceedings according to
§170 para. 2 of the Code of Criminal Procedure was discontinued.
Now I'm really glad that I didn't hire a lawyer with a lump sum, it seems to be slowly becoming a good business for them, they had tried to sell me that it would be a very long and complex process and that it would cost a lot accordingly

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