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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 50)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 50 of 50 | Answers: 497 | Views: 144,591
DaseR92
Amateur

Falko wrote on 08.11.2024 at 21:51:

But when e should that be possible to pay for the vast majority, if only out but no depositors are charged. The vast majority of people who play regularly have no savings at all. The only option would be to do community service, take out a loan or serve time in prison. The latter would cost the state the most. And taking out a loan for that reason, can the state really force you to do so, would that be allowed in a constitutional state, considering the consequences for these people?


As with most fines, payment in installments. You get the "credit" from the state, so to speak.

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Druff
Rookie

Falko wrote on 08.11.2024 at 21:51:

But when e should that be possible to pay for the vast majority, if only out but no depositors are charged. The vast majority of people who play regularly have no savings at all. The only option would be to do community service, take out a loan or serve time in prison. The latter would cost the state the most. And taking out a loan for that reason, can the state really force you to do so, would that be allowed in a constitutional state, considering the consequences for these people?

As has already been mentioned, you definitely don't go to Cafe Viereck if you can't pay a fine etc., then there's payment in installments or just a work requirement, in comparison, you definitely go to Cafe Viereck for repeated driving without a ticket, regardless of whether you pay the increased transportation fee or not.


I keep asking myself the following about this topic: Do you only think this is wrong because you might be affected yourself or would you also think it's wrong if you weren't gambling? I mean is it right that fare dodgers go to jail? Is it right that someone goes to prison for repeated theft? Or a fine for something that is relatively minor, by that I mean:

Someone who repeatedly steals bread for 2 euros because they are hungry pays hundreds of euros in fines plus a catch bonus, if you are caught fare dodging two or three times it's the same only you go to prison and someone who pays out hundreds from an online casino also pays hundreds but in relation to that it's significantly less.

Hence the question, is the ratio correct?

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Stromberg
Legend

Druff wrote on 09.11.2024 at 04:37:

As has already been mentioned, you definitely don't go to Cafe Viereck if you can't pay a fine etc, then there's installment payment or just a work requirement, in comparison you definitely go to Cafe Viereck for repeated driving without a ticket, regardless of whether you pay it increased transportation fee or not.


I keep asking myself the following about this topic: Do you only think this is wrong because you might be affected yourself or would you also think it's wrong if you weren't gambling? I mean is it right that fare dodgers go to jail? Is it right that someone goes to prison for repeated theft? Or a fine for something that is relatively minor, by that I mean:

Someone who repeatedly steals bread for 2 euros because they are hungry pays hundreds of euros in fines plus a catch bonus, if you are caught fare dodging two or three times it's the same only you go to prison and someone who pays out hundreds from an online casino also pays hundreds but in relation to that it's significantly less.

Hence the question, is the relation correct?

It's a good question that somehow requires a lot of consideration to answer, but is still difficult to answer...


First of all, from the outside, justice is a difficult subject in the judicial system anyway, and judgments are made in many areas that are difficult to follow.

With regard to gambling in particular, you're certainly right that someone who has nothing to do with it either doesn't care or says, yes, that's fine, it's just illegal.

If you now ignore all the stupidities of regulation, because they are stupidities but basically say nothing about illegality or legality, you have a violation of a law.
However, I think that an important principle in the assessment must be whether you are causing harm to someone else.... And I would say no in this case.
I would therefore differentiate between whether you were caught for the first time or several times.

The first time I would stop the proceedings, as I used to do for minor offenses involving weed, for example, and point out that it will be expensive the next time.

Let's take a case like Mtoro's, for example...
If you are now expected to pay off your wins without offsetting your losses, even though the money has probably long since gone back to some casino, then depending on your circumstances and the amount involved, this can hit you much worse than, for example, someone who gets a suspended sentence for sexual abuse for some incomprehensible reason... It simply can't be that.

I mean, of course we have a law now and it has to be implemented, no matter how nonsensical it is. But you should find a way that doesn't ruin people and, in the worst case, families even more than gambling itself... And in the next step, ask yourself why so many people still gamble illegally and revise its regulation...


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mikejonesmaen
Rookie
Received a police summons on 25.09.2024.
Just received a letter from the public prosecutor's office today, proceedings have been discontinued.

I did not go to the police at the time and did not react in any way.

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JJepsa96
Rookie

mikejonesmaen wrote on 09.11.2024 at 10:40 am: Received a summons from the police on 25.09.2024.
Today just mail from the public prosecutor's office, proceedings were discontinued.

I did not go to the police at the time and did not react in any way.

What time and effort is lost for such petty stories.... A picture-book example of German bureaucracy..

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Theodor
Visitor

mikejonesmaen wrote on 09.11.2024 at 10:40 am: Received a summons from the police on 25.09.2024.
Today just mail from the public prosecutor's office, proceedings were discontinued.

I did not go to the police at the time and did not react in any way.

What amount were you charged?

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mikejonesmaen
Rookie
Was never specified, nor was the period. Estimated to be at least a mid 5-digit amount.

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Dachpitti70

WithoutWings wrote on 08.11.2024 at 11:48 am:

Whether you lost more than you won doesn't matter. For me, only the payouts count. LocoWin has never been legal. I hope you didn't pay out too much.

i paid out 8000euros in the period mentioned.


Kind regards

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