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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 41)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 41 of 51 | Answers: 509 | Views: 149,428
Jasonknz878
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Sep. 2024, at 01:15 pm CEST#403
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Opirat107 wrote on 27.09.2024 at 12:54 pm:

I would like to know how many transactions are listed in your penalty order? Would be interesting to know. And how much is the collection of wins approximately? Because that's usually the bigger chunk. If that hadn't been the case, I would most probably have paid the daily rates.

Approx. 8 transactions, 2 of which were wins.
Total 4 figures in terms of wins and depositors.

How many were there for you and what approximate amount?

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pirat107
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Sep. 2024, at 01:19 pm CEST#404
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Jasonknz878 wrote on 27.09.2024 at 13:15:
Approx 8 transactions of which 2 were wins.
Total 4 digits in terms of win and depositor.

How many were there for you and what amount?

Okay, I really can't explain that if that's true. For me it said per depositor and thus participation 5 daily rates are due. Of course, I don't know whether this is generally the case or whether the public prosecutor's office has any leeway.

The way you write it sounds pretty harmless.

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Jasonknz878
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Sep. 2024, at 01:31 pm CEST#405
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pirat107 wrote on 27.09.2024 at 13:19:

Okay then I really can't explain that if that's true. I was told 5 daily rates per depositor and thus participation. Of course, I don't know if this is generally fixed or if the public prosecutor's office has any leeway.

The way you write it sounds pretty harmless.

Yes, but not everyone is reported, is that normal? It's really surprising that so many people have had their cases dropped after being summoned by the police..

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gamble1
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Sep. 2024, at 01:55 pm CEST#406
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morallyreprehensible wrote on 27.09.2024 07:26:

On what grounds do you make this statement?


Contact every public prosecutor's office in Germany?
Just because there is nothing to read about every federal state here and perhaps in other forums, you cannot make such a statement.

It is generally known how differently people are punished here, especially since the whole topic is still new, it is easy to assume what the reason might be

I don't actually see anything wrong with the statement, but it should be more of a guess and not a 100% fact

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MisterL
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

27th Sep. 2024, at 11:48 pm CEST#407
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I would give them a cough and stop GEZ too


everyone knows where the money goes

a rogue......

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gamjoer

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

29th Sep. 2024, at 10:31 am CEST#408
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but you can get on a plane and go to macau and gamble in the casino with your card. That doesn't bother the stasi. The fact that money is wasted on setting up all the aparatus and distributing invitations... They can hardly wait to carry out procedures for forbidden thoughts at some point.

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btssultan
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

29th Sep. 2024, at 12:22 pm CEST#409
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It is also typical that instead of creating a uniform penalty for illegal gambling, the transactions are of course taken so that more money can be made. Would be more interesting to say and what penalty can the Provider expect? None? That's right, he's based abroad and has the freedom of a fool.

On the one hand, the German state argues that it is illegal, but on the other hand, nothing is really done to stop it, even though the possibilities have existed for tens of years.

It is not enough that most players have already lost enough money, it is made even more difficult and you are additionally ripped off by the state. So why doesn't the state get the money back from the providers or the banks? There is not even a clear regulation here.

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reaggie
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

29th Sep. 2024, at 01:26 pm CEST#410
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btssultan wrote on 29.09.2024 at 12:22: Also typical, instead of designing a uniform penalty for illegal gambling, you naturally take the transactions so that you can of course rake in more money. Would be more interesting to say and what penalty does the Provider face? None? That's right, he's based abroad and has the freedom of a fool.

On the one hand, the German state argues that it is illegal, but on the other hand, nothing is really done to stop it, even though the possibilities have existed for tens of years.

It is not enough that most players have already lost enough money, it is made even more difficult and you are additionally ripped off by the state. So why doesn't the state get the money back from the providers or the banks? There is not even a clear regulation here.

Well, standardizing would not be feasible. If someone has won 1000 euros or 1000000 euros should still play a role, or should both pay a 500000 fine? That makes no sense.

I got the same answer when I tried to get my money back: Nobody is forcing you to play on illegal sites "now".
What options have been available for tens of years? Do you want to censor North Korea or what possibilities do you have to block foreign sites within Germany?
I don't think the state will go and sue for the lost money, but for the wins. So why get the money from the provider? They have paid out the money. The banks can do even less if they give you the freedom to spend your money where you want, so why should the state take it from the bank? And if you get a fine, I think it will be for tax evasion rather than illegal gambling. Because the proceedings as to whether it was legal or not are before the ECJ. So there's no clear ruling on that yet.

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mikejonesmaen
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

30th Sep. 2024, at 10:27 am CEST#411
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In the meantime, I have also received a complaint or a summons for unauthorized gambling.

Unfortunately, I used to make direct bank transfers from time to time in 2022/2023. Later switched completely to e-wallet (Mifinity) or Binance/crypto. Will the police only investigate direct bank transfers or also e-wallet/crypto?

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Jasonknz878
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

30th Sep. 2024, at 11:03 am CEST#412
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mikejonesmaen wrote on 30.09.2024 at 10:27 am: In the meantime, I have also received a complaint or a summons for unauthorized gambling.

Unfortunately, I used to make direct bank transfers from time to time in 2022/2023. Later switched completely to e-wallet (Mifinity) or Binance/crypto. Will the police only investigate direct bank transfers or also e-wallet/crypto?

I can't answer that about e-wallet/crypto? What time period were you given or how many months or days? Have you already canceled the appointment or not gone or what is your situation?

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