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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 35)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 35 of 38 | Answers: 371 | Views: 113,111
frapi07
Elite
Didn't know we had so many criminals in Germany.
WithoutWings wrote on 24.07.2024 at 14:14: Next post is the report of the second canceled account. This time it was Ing Diba in a period of one year...

Sorry to read that. I wish you a lot of strength. Something like that must be really annoying and then twice.

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Saphira
Expert

gamble1 wrote on July 24, 2024 at 7:23 pm:

Yes, but if prosecution has already been waived for one offense, they can't open proceedings again for the same offense, can they?

Strictly speaking, yes. If you commit a theft once and the case is dropped because it was minor or because you have never been prosecuted before, then that does not absolve you of other offenses that are similar, such as further thefts. In the case of similar offenses, the proceedings are usually combined and a total fine is usually imposed upon conviction. But let's hope that this case will be dropped again. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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gamble1
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Saphira wrote on July 24th, 2024 at 9:35 pm:

Strictly speaking, yes. If you commit a theft once and the case is dropped because it is minor or because you have never been convicted of a criminal offense, this does not absolve you of other crimes that are similar, such as other thefts. In the case of similar offenses, the proceedings are usually combined and a total fine is usually imposed upon conviction. But let's hope that this case will be dropped again. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Yes, but suppose I now steal the same thing 20 times out of 15 times they know and discontinue the proceedings and 5 times suddenly come after because someone has checked it out on the desk, doesn't that actually count or is a completely new case opened even though the crime was committed in the same period?


Because actually the offense has already been stopped and if no new offense has been committed after the finger was raised the first time, it shouldn't actually count as a new offense because you would have received your punishment for the old offenses from that point in time or if prosecution was waived from that point in time, it should then be applied to all the same offenses before that point in time or not?

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Anonymus
Rookie

gamble1 wrote on July 25th, 2024 at 01:11 am:

Yes but suppose I now steal 20 times the same thing of 15 times they know and stop the procedure and 5 times suddenly comes after because someone has checked it on the desk does not that actually count there already or is then a completely new thing opened although the act took place in the same period ?


Because actually the offense has already been stopped and if there is no new offense after the raised finger from the first time it should not actually count as a new offense because you would have received your punishment for the old offenses from this point in time or from this point in time prosecution was waived should then be applied to all the same offenses before this point in time or not?

I don't think his first case has been dropped yet ... The case is still ongoing. That is the point

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Saphira
Expert
gamble1 wrote on 07/25/2024 01:11:

Yes but suppose I now steal 20 times the same thing of 15 times they know and stop the procedure and 5 times suddenly comes after because someone has checked it on the desk does not that actually count there already or is then a completely new thing opened although the act took place in the same period ?


Because actually the offense has already been stopped and if there is no new offense after the raised finger from the first time, it should not actually count as a new offense because you would have received your punishment for the old offenses from this point in time or prosecution was waived from this point in time should then be applied to all the same offenses before this point in time or not?

To answer that, you would have to know exactly why the proceedings were dropped. For example, whether it was because it was minor or because there were no previous convictions. The discretion of the respective public prosecutor always plays a role. They have a certain amount of leeway. If they have discontinued the case because there were no previous convictions, but they consider the "offense" to be a criminal offense, then the next charge, even if it is the same offense, may result in a further discontinuation, but then perhaps against fulfillment of a condition (because the "offender" has actually already made an appearance once) or the issuing of a penalty order or even a new discontinuation without further consequences.


I understand your train of thought and it really does seem logical, as you say. But it's also not an area I'm particularly well versed in. Therefore only with reservations.

By the way, every new complaint first becomes a new case. They are then usually combined and merged. It also often happens that one of the two (if there are only two) is provisionally discontinued, as the penalty that would result from this would only be insignificant in comparison to the other proceedings. Hence the total sentence.

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needle34
Expert
It hasn't hit you yet, but I think it will soon hit everyone. Thinking about leaving Germany

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Saphira
Expert

needle34 wrote on 26.07.2024 at 21:26: It hasn't hit you yet, but I think it will soon hit everyone. Thinking about leaving Germany

But not because of gambling?

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moralischverwerflich
Expert

Saphira wrote on July 26, 2024 at 11:37 pm:

But not because of gambling?

Why not, I would too 🤣🤣

Nonsense, but there are more than enough reasons to turn your back on Germany now.
It's just going to get worse, if it continues like this Germany will eventually be at the bottom of the league in Europe when it comes to the general quality of life for working people

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d****a

morallyreprehensible wrote on 27.07.2024 09:15:

Why not, I would too 🤣🤣

No nonsense, but there are more than enough reasons to turn your back on Germany now.
It's just getting worse, if it continues like this, Germany will eventually be at the bottom of the league in Europe in terms of the general quality of life for working people

you have to take a look at the job advertisements at the GGl. i just stumbled across it by chance because i was looking for something for another thread.

Job vacancies (gluecksspiel-behoerde.de)

specifically, I mean this one:
temporary clerk (m/f/d) unauthorized gambling / advertising

please also note the requirements profile for the position! i mean how quickly and well and sensibly can someone familiarize themselves in this time?
the whole thing is something between ridiculous, very bad in gray & Stasi.




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frapi07
Elite
dazzle_tea wrote on 27.07.2024 09:34:

you have to take a look at the job ads at the GGl. I just stumbled across it by chance because I was looking for something for another thread.

Vacancies (gluecksspiel-behoerde.de)

specifically, I mean this one:
temporary clerk (m/f/d) unauthorized gambling / advertising

please also note the requirements profile for the position! i mean how quickly and well and sensibly can someone familiarize themselves in this time?
the whole thing is something between ridiculous, very bad in gray & Stasi.





I'm in TV-L and this is a classic TV-L position. You have to keep a few things in mind:

1.) The requirements profile is high because you are already classified high in the pay scale. For this position you are A10. A15Ü is the highest. Just for reference, which positions are classified as A15Ü https://www.wirtschaft.bremen.de/sixcms/media.php/13/2022-12-21_Ausschreibung%20Z5_22.pdf

In any case, you can think of the table as a hierarchy. A1-4, for example, is for the "simple service". These are employees who have no training or academic degree, e.g. employees at the canteen or student assistants.

The position you have shown falls under the "Higher Service". Here you need at least a Bachelor's degree. You can read up on this here Public service pay group: Table + classification (karrierebibel.de)

The difference is that everyone with the same qualification earns the same amount. Of course you can be promoted etc., but the minimum salary for academics is currently 3.5k gross. This is not always the case in the private sector. You can bargain for your salary, but not in the ÖD.

2.) TV-L is worse than TVöD. Pay worse, union worse. In principle, you have to make minor concessions in the federal states. There is also a shortage of staff because of this, but this also affects the TVöD area. TV-L, however, significantly more.

3.) The problem with training is present everywhere, not just in the substitute positions. As already mentioned due to the lack of staff. TVöD and the private sector are simply more attractive. The pregnant/ soon to be mother will not be able to do the induction herself, but one of her colleagues will. Of course, it's not iDEAL if the person I have to temporarily replace doesn't train me. It will be a few weeks before I'm invited, then a decision has to be made internally. If you're lucky enough to be accepted, the only thing left to do is for the staff council to approve the appointment. That also takes time. Only then do you get some documents that you have to sign, some of which you have to obtain (certificate of good conduct). Back then, I received a big folder with an equally big pile of paper. I don't know how many times I signed it. Easily 6 times Then you have to swear an oath. It took me 3 months and that's a position in the "simple service". Just so you have a comparison: we advertised a position in the "higher service" (E13 or higher). We have been looking for the right candidate for 2 years. There were several interviews and "aptitude tests". Some would have been accepted, but then dropped out. Others were simply unsuitable (personally or professionally). But you can't compare that with this position, as they are looking for a replacement. We once had someone who was newly recruited. After a week, this person realized that he wasn't suited to the job. He took a week's sick leave and then handed in his notice.

I wouldn't apply for a job there. It's only for one year and who knows whether the contract will be extended. Maybe the position has already been filled internally, who knows. I also noticed this passage: "Applications from women are expressly welcome." A clear indication, if you ask me

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