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Online Casinos in general: Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB) (Page 34)

Topic created on 23rd Jan. 2021 | Page: 34 of 77 | Answers: 765 | Views: 188,188
Harald_B
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

23rd Jul. 2024, at 09:41 am CEST#333
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mehrdad_dgmax wrote on 23.07.2024 09:29:

I canceled the appointment. If I don't react further, e.g. inspection of files etc., then I will still get a letter from the public prosecutor's office, right?

Yes, of course, mail will arrive at some point

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mehrdad_dgmax

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

23rd Jul. 2024, at 09:45 am CEST#334
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Krabbenburger wrote on 23.07.2024 at 01:18:
Hello mehrdad

Your lawyer was absolutely right to recommend that you cancel the appointment with the police.
You can't win anything at such an appointment, only lose.

Were all the incoming payments from "Inpay" or just the €900?
Check your bank statements again to see if a casino company name appears in the payments from the account.
You seem to have deposited mainly via another account.
But I'm sure you also made some deposits via the ING account, right?
If the payments really only say "Inpay", the prosecution's burden of proof is very thin.

Whether you apply for access to the files is a very subjective decision.
I think there is a very good chance that the proceedings will be dropped, but I would still play it safe and request access to the files to see if the other account with which you deposited a lot is also the subject of the investigation.

During the period mentioned above, all withdrawals were made with Inpay. Without casino name. Before that I had many depositors with ING. In this period I had depositors for sports betting but via PayPal and ING. For casino nothing with ING. But a lot in the fall. Other accounts were not but canceled.

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Sportwettenfreund

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

23rd Jul. 2024, at 04:47 pm CEST#335
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If you read the thread here, then you can only hope that the Federal Ministry of Justice's plan to partially delete §§ 284 ff. of the German Criminal Code will be implemented quickly. It is highly likely that at least Section 285 StGB will be dropped, which should help most people here. It is still not legal (it remains an administrative offense), but at least it can no longer be reported so easily.

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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

23rd Jul. 2024, at 08:45 pm CEST#336
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Sportwettenfreund wrote on 23.07.2024 at 16:47: If you read the thread here, then you can only hope that the Federal Ministry of Justice's plan to partially delete §§ 284 ff. of the German Criminal Code will be implemented quickly. It is highly likely that at least Section 285 StGB will be dropped, which should help most people here. It is still not legal (it remains an administrative offense), but at least it can no longer be reported so easily.

This would at least go some way to proving that regulation is not just about ripping off small people, because I think the last thing a player needs is a huge lawsuit that costs a lot of money!

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WithoutWings
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

24th Jul. 2024, at 02:14 pm CEST#337
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Next post is the notification of the second canceled account. This time it was Ing Diba over a period of one year...

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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

24th Jul. 2024, at 03:39 pm CEST#338
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WithoutWings wrote on 24.07.2024 at 14:14: Next post is the notification of the second canceled account. This time it was Ing Diba in a period of one year...

Seriously haha you've been reported twice now? Dude you have to imagine the amounts of money that go to the state just for shit like this it's so ridiculous

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Andre
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

24th Jul. 2024, at 03:50 pm CEST#339
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This is also very interesting from a legal point of view. You cannot be punished twice for the same offense. So the question is whether and when the depositors/offenses are delimited.

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mehrdad_dgmax

Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

24th Jul. 2024, at 05:24 pm CEST#340
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I have canceled my appointment with the lawyer and foreman. I'm just waiting for letters from the public prosecutor's office. Hopefully it will just be dropped. Otherwise I'll go to a lawyer. 😄

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WithoutWings
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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

24th Jul. 2024, at 06:36 pm CEST#341
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My lawyer said it would be combined. Only that the sum from both charges has increased to over 100,000 euros in payouts. Now he's going to get the new file, which will take up to 8 weeks again. I'll report back ...

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Charge of unauthorized gambling ( 285 StGB)

24th Jul. 2024, at 07:23 pm CEST#342
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WithoutWings wrote on 24.07.2024 at 18:36: My lawyer said that will be combined. Only that the sum from both charges has increased to over 100,000 euros in payouts. Now he's going to get the new file, which will take up to 8 weeks again. I'll report back.

Yes, but if prosecution has already been waived for one offense, they can't open proceedings again for the same offense, can they?

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