Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

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bullet55

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 06:13 pm CEST#1

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Hello all,

almost fell out of the clouds today, after my house bank terminated me for gambling, I received a notice today for "money laundering to conceal ill-gotten wealth".

With illegal gambling I would have expected somehow, but money laundering I would not have thought possible with amounts in the year of a total of vll 5k in and out payments?

Does anyone have any experience with this, because of gambling?

There is also no other reason except gambling, I just often with PayPal over a page Mifinity Voucher/Ecopayz etc. bought?

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 08:25 pm CEST#2

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bullet55 wrote on 02/09/2022 at 18:13: Hello everyone,

almost fell out of the clouds today, after my house bank terminated me for gambling, I received a notice today for "money laundering to conceal ill-gotten wealth".

With illegal gambling I would have expected somehow, but money laundering I would not have thought possible with amounts in the year of a total of vll 5k in and out payments?

Does anyone have any experience with this, because of gambling?

There is also no other reason except gambling, I just often with PayPal over a page Mifinity Voucher/Ecopayz etc. bought?

Who has reported you then that sounds more like a trader would have reported you and not the bank just because of the addition: concealment of ill-gotten wealth

Or what do the others think ?

Would give this to a lawyer

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 08:30 pm CEST#3

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The best thing is to get a lawyer involved. From 10k you have to prove where the money comes from.

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 08:54 pm CEST#4

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bigbig wrote on 02.09.2022 at 20:30: It's best to call in a lawyer. From 10k you have to prove where the money comes from.

The 10K limit, is but, as far as I know, only related to the proof obligation for banks. Guess times, theoretically would be a charge for money laundering from the first euro possible

However, definitely involve a lawyer

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 08:54 pm CEST#5

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You should get a lawyer

What do you have to do now? Go to the police?

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 10:26 pm CEST#6

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bigbig wrote on 02.09.2022 at 20:30: It's best to call in a lawyer. From 10k you have to prove where the money comes from.

This refers exclusively to cash deposits and has been introduced at the request of Bafin so that the banks from then on require proof of origin

I suspect in the case of the TE he has overdone it in a store to buy credit because the addition: concealment of illegally acquired assets happens only if you spend money that was presumably illegally acquired to get the money thereby clean as eg by buying gold but also crypto assets can count to it

Source Google

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 10:37 pm CEST#7

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bullet55 wrote on 02/09/2022 at 18:13: Hello everyone,

almost fell out of the clouds today, after my house bank terminated me for gambling, I received a notice today for "money laundering to conceal ill-gotten wealth".

With illegal gambling I would have expected somehow, but money laundering I would not have thought possible with amounts in the year of a total of vll 5k in and out payments?

Does anyone have any experience with this, because of gambling?

There is also no other reason except gambling, I have just often bought with PayPal through a site Mifinity Voucher/Ecopayz etc.?

which bank are you with? savings bank ?

Edit by Caro: Answer copied from quote out

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Falko

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

2nd Sep. 2022, at 10:46 pm CEST#8

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Sounds very strange, because there is no talk of a bank here. I always thought that with ewallets you are protected from exactly that. Here it needs a more detailed explanation. What has been written so far, sounds very mysterious and does not convince me so far that there really is this display

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2nd Sep. 2022, at 11:41 pm CEST#9

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Falko wrote on 02.09.2022 at 22:46: Sounds very strange, because there is no talk of a bank here. I always thought that with ewallets you are protected from exactly that. Here it needs a more detailed explanation. What has been written so far, sounds very mysterious and does not convince me so far that there really is this display

The E-wallets it is also no matter the see yes where the coal comes from and thus is for the yes clearly evident that it is not money laundering

But now buy multiple times for amount X MiFinity or ecoPayz (you have to say I have no experience with the services) credit on one and the same page is clear that then someone could have the suspicion as someone wants to get dubious money clean through detours

Since I just on possibly PayPal has reported you because if you PayPal money constantly in other money exchanges one could sooner or later already express such a suspicion

This is always a bit like the motto puts a normal consumer so a behavior to the day and I can well imagine that PayPal thinks why exchanges the money in other money and constantly or possibly why sends the money constantly abroad or paid in foreign stores

Such a behavior speaks fully for this concealment illegally acquired wealth at least if you can believe my quick Google research

The PayPal is sometimes a little overzealous was already known

In the end, you will most likely only find out when a lawyer looks into the files

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Charge of 261§ Money laundering through gambling

3rd Sep. 2022, at 12:41 am CEST#10

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But if I make e.g. paysafekarten via PayPal, then that is debited from my account and with it I can make but many things like other games gambling

So I would not be money laundering?!?

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