Online Casinos in general: Caution !!! Rip-off at German casinos (Page 2)

gamble1 wrote on 20.11.2023 at 18:32:

But this is the only solution because nothing changes as long as the state does not ask itself the question where the beautiful tax revenues have gone !


We get our money pay taxes we spend it in the casino pay tax again and in the end even pay tax again for everyone regardless of whether they win or lose

Regulation sounds so serious it would be more like taking the p**s out of an entire nation

We can't put up with this kind of stuff anymore our everyday life is determined by taxes on everything #fool yourself

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Falke wrote on 20.11.2023 at 23:11:

How is that supposed to work at all?


Imagine someone pays in €100 and is very lucky. He makes a turnover of €100,000.
In the end, the lucky person pays out €5,000 and the casino has to pay €5,500 in taxes?

This is so criminal that there are no words for it. Where does something like this happen and who comes up with such crap and why has no legal action been taken against it?

It would be the same as a restaurateur selling drinks for €100 and then having to pay €600 in tax.

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Falke wrote on 20.11.2023 at 23:11:

How is that supposed to work at all?


Imagine someone pays in €100 and is very lucky. He makes a turnover of €100,000.
In the end, the lucky person pays out €5,000 and the casino has to pay €5,500 in taxes?

That is so criminal that there are no words for it. Where does something like this happen and who comes up with such crap and why has no legal action been taken against it?

It would be the same as a restaurateur selling drinks for €100 and then having to pay €600 in tax.

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Andre wrote on 20.11.2023 at 15:58: Online casinos now have to pay tax on every spin, regardless of whether the player wins or loses with the spin. That was different back then and has enormous economic consequences for online casinos. I'm not trying to defend them, but the whole system can't work like this and the user is always the one who suffers in the end.

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Donnie wrote on 21.11.2023 at 00:41:

Yes and yet many casinos have "acquired" the German license. Nobody forced them to adapt to the rules. Imagine there is a German license and nobody wants it, problem solved, the state would have to cave in and provide conditions that are far fairer. The casinos are just as much to blame for the "conditions", in any case it is not sustainable and a bad product for the player

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gamble1 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 01:19:
or the providers don't make enough revenue to cover the taxes

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Falke wrote on 20.11.2023 at 23:11:

How is that supposed to work at all?


Imagine someone pays in €100 and is very lucky. He makes a turnover of €100,000.
In the end, the lucky person pays out €5,000 and the casino has to pay €5,500 in taxes?

This is so criminal that there are no words for it. Where does something like this happen and who comes up with such crap and why has no legal action been taken against it?

It would be the same as a restaurateur selling drinks for €100 and then having to pay €600 in tax.

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Andre wrote on 20.11.2023 at 15:58: Online casinos now have to pay tax on every spin, regardless of whether the player wins or loses with the spin. That was different back then and has enormous economic consequences for online casinos. I'm not trying to defend them, but the whole system can't work like this and the user is always the one who suffers in the end.

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Frankey wrote on 21.11.2023 at 09:22:

The tax was previously also deducted from the deposits that a casino booked. Whether someone won or not has always been irrelevant because gambling wins are tax-free in Germany. No matter what type of gambling

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DieWunderharke5000 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 10:46 am:

What tax? No tax was paid at all before. In Malta, yes, but not in Germany.



The "good thing" - if you want to call it that - is that tax revenues from virtual Slot machines are plummeting. If you look at the current figures, you can see that revenue amounted to €350 million in the first three quarters of 2022. In the same period in 2023, however, it was only €204 million. Meanwhile, sports betting and lottery taxes remain at the same high level.

Perhaps someone in the ministry will notice that something doesn't add up. People are definitely not playing less in 2023 than in 2022, it's just that there seems to be significantly less gambling in German stores. Why could that be? Completely inexplicable to me.


What do you think? Is there any reason to hope that this will be improved? I have always been in favor of withholding tax on wins directly from the casino. So, for example, if I pay out €1000 (and really only then) the tax is deducted and I only get 950 paid out and 50 goes to the state. But then again high RTP.


If you want to read and compare all the figures, you can do so here: Click

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Tigerbaby2004 wrote on 21.11.2023 at 11:06 am:

The way I see it lionplay is doing it the way I would like it. High RTP on all games. Whether Bonus money or real money. Tax is deducted directly from the bet, but only for real money and not for bonus money. I think this is much more player-friendly.

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Falko wrote on 21.11.2023 at 00:14:

I have often wondered why the casino lobby did not take legal action against the tax introduced in this way. In my opinion, it is extremely questionable whether it is really permissible. A 5.3% tax on the Deposit amount would have been fair, but taxing 5.3% of the bet per spin is simply criminal theft. We used to have a really strong gambling lobby, but now even they only seem to dance to the government's tune.

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