Online Casinos in general: Boycott German casinos please (Page 2)

Stromberg wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 11:14 am:

I have always been and remained lowroller myself, not on 10 cents, but always 20-30 cents...

But what Saphira describes doesn't sound like fun to me.

For me, gaming fun means I want to have a nice evening, watch a series or soccer while playing slots and trying out a few new ones.
I plan to spend €50 on this and if they're gone, that's bad luck and if I'm lucky I'll play for 5 hours and take home a win.

I sit down and do 20 spins and if it goes badly I continue next week is just no fun for me. If I win a 10 after 5 spins and can then pay out 20, that's nice, but somehow not my definition of fun.

But I think everyone feels differently.

What I described above as my gaming fun is unfortunately no longer a realistic scenario.

When I started playing, the majority of the time it was easy to spend an evening playing with a certain budget.

If I gamble on any licensed site now, I can be very certain that €50 on 20 cent spins won't last much longer than an hour.

Betathome has now added yggdrasil, for example. That's welcome in itself, but they're running on 86 percent and it's just a disaster.

Always played all the vikings go... slots a lot, especially the first two, and it just doesn't compare.

So I wouldn't call for a boycott, and if you've found a way to make a "safe" win with these rtps, GW.
But I wouldn't tell anyone that you can play there with a clear conscience... 😂

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Saphira wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 10:26 am:

It doesn't depend so much on the individual slot. And of course it's the slot that ultimately decides. I agree with you there. For me personally, the "tactic", if you want to call it that, consists of several components that interlock. Change slots quickly if they're not running, take a break if nothing works, pay out immediately if you win, even if it's "small cattle". Of course, this only works if you are not greedy and have a feel for the value of money. It may seem tedious for some high rollers, but for me as a Low Roller, this tactic has proven to be worthwhile over the years. You won't get rich this way, but with a bit of luck you'll always be in the black and there's also the chance of landing a big hit.

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frapi07 wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 11:59 am:

I also "tacticked" like that at the beginning of my "career" in the Spielos. Paid out everything I could. Even if it was "only" €20. I thought it was actually a good hourly wage. After that, I changed machines or even the arcade.

I was just lucky, which is why I was 60-80€ in the black. It can also work the other way around: you invest money and the machine just eats it without ever giving you the chance to walk away with a win.

I myself would now define myself as a High Roller and I personally don't see that much difference to low rolling. Under a "normal" RTP, of course. With an 84% RTP and €1 max bet size, however, I see things differently. I wouldn't even roll on €1 because you simply have lower odds. I think the bet plays a subordinate role here. What would be more decisive is the server and the "pot": there is simply less in it because only Germans play on it. At least that's what I think, but I could be completely wrong.

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Stromberg wrote on 27.01.2025 at 13:00:

Hard to say how it all works in the background...

Personally, I don't think the outcome of an online slot should depend in any way on how many people play it.
Even if I were the only person in the world playing dead or alive, he would have to hit a wildline with the same probability as he does in real life with a normal number of players.
But as you say, who knows for sure.... 😂

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frapi07 wrote on January 27, 2025 at 1:23 pm:
Yes, it is, unless you work in the industry.


It isn't. It is still an 84% RTP. However, if the slot generates €500,000 in revenue per month, then only 84% of this €500,000 can be paid out, and in an international casino, the revenue is likely to be higher and accordingly much more will be paid out. But you need luck in both cases, because you can lose and/or win in both stalls.

Hence my thought that the probability of high wins increases the more players play the slot.

We also have the following problem in Germany:

if 10,000,000 spins per month happen in the international dead or alive slot and only 1,000,000 or 3,000,000 in the German slot, then statistically speaking the player has a worse chance of achieving the max win.

Just as an example: with SG in the slot Lucky Ladys Charme Deluxe, the probability of achieving the max. win is 1:11,720,582.

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frapi07 wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 1:23 pm:

if 10,000,000 spins per month happen in the international dead or alive slot and only 1,000,000 or 3,000,000 in the German one, then the player already has statistically worse cards to ezielen the max win.

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Zockerbernd wrote on 26.01.2025 at 10:13 am: We are the people, without us they are nothing. Why do we let them do this to us? Please have honor and boycott these rip-off artists. Then they have to change something!

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Stromberg wrote on January 27, 2025 at 1:41 pm:
I also see it differently...

It shouldn't matter how much revenue the slot makes per month. The money to be paid out is not in the slot. Over billions of spins it has to achieve a certain AQ, which is simply guaranteed by the programming and testing. Of course, this is lower at 84% than at 95%, but that's not my point at all.

Nevertheless, he can (or should be able to) pay out the maxwin twice if the slot is completely new, has not been played at all in the current month, etc.
Of course it is constantly tracked what turnover is made on which slots, how much is paid out, etc., so that the providers always make a safe win. Nevertheless, the chances of winning should not depend on how much a slot is played. And if it makes a loss at the beginning (which will certainly be balanced out in the long run), then so be it.

And the probability of maxwin is also low, but the same for every spin. Regardless of whether other players have already made 5 million spins a day or not... Even if I am the first player to spin on a new slot, for me personally the chance is the same as if I am the 10 millionth player.

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slotliebe89 wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 1:43 pm:

Why? Should be just as likely for you as an individual player in my opinion.

Stromberg wrote on 27.01.2025 at 13:41:
I also see that differently...

It shouldn't matter how much revenue the slot makes per month. The money to be paid out is not in the slot. Over billions of spins it has to achieve a certain AQ, which is simply guaranteed by the programming and testing. Of course, this is lower at 84% than at 95%, but that's not my point at all.

Nevertheless, he can (or should be able to) pay out the maxwin twice if the slot is completely new, has not been played at all in the current month, etc.
Of course it is constantly tracked what turnover is made on which slots, how much is paid out, etc., so that the providers always make a safe win. Nevertheless, the chances of winning should not depend on how much a slot is played. And if it makes a loss at the beginning (which will certainly be balanced out in the long run), then so be it.

And the probability of maxwin is also low, but the same for every spin. Regardless of whether other players have already made 5 million spins a day or not... Even if I am the first player to spin on a new slot, for me personally the chance is the same as if I am the 10 millionth player.

gamble1 wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 2:39 pm:

Practically speaking, slots can certainly make losses for the operator at times, offline that's certainly the case, and I don't think it will be much different online. As you say, this will of course be balanced out in the long term. But in the short term, the devices can actually make a loss. It would also be impractical if they only paid out what they actually took in. That would hardly create any gaming incentives in a backyard pub, and even in a large casino with thousands of players, it wouldn't really be attractive.

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frapi07 wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 2:55 pm:

How is that supposed to work? Every slot has a negative expected value and therefore no slot can make losses. How can a slot/vending machine make losses if it always has a maximum AQ that certainly does not exceed the revenue? I'm at a loss right now

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Butterbrezel wrote on 27.01.2025 at 13:00:

Ok, but there is also a certain amount of depositors required, right? When I played last year it was 10 EUR from time to time. The highest I ever got was 15 EUR, so 5 EUR plus. I don't make a withdrawal for that.

If you and others can really manage this on a permanent basis, good luck. Plus is plus, so you're right with your tactics.

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Stromberg wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 3:47 pm:

I guess gamble1 means that over a period of time the slot can make a loss until it evens out and turns around in the long run...

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Saphira wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 5:42 pm:

Of course I pay in too, not exceeding 100 euros a month. That's my rough limit. Sometimes things go so well that I don't even reach half of this limit. Payouts from NoDeposit or similar usually also play a role. I also pay out from 20 euros win. I often leave a portion to continue playing. There have also been months where I've only made 50 or 80 euros plus in total. But that's my only goal. To come out with a plus. That's just fun for me. I don't have a specific amount in mind that I absolutely want to achieve every month, so I don't put myself under any pressure. Even if it's only a total win of 10 euros, I can still be happy about it. Plus is just plus. Since, statistically speaking, it can't just be bad luck and sometimes things just go well, there's also plenty of fun to be had. Conversely, if I decide to take a break, then I'm not having fun either.

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Butterbrezel wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 6:18 pm:

If you gamble, it's best to gamble with the Germans.

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Langhans_innen wrote on January 27th, 2025 at 6:48 pm:

Your suggestions today almost border on immorality Could almost become my candidate for a new signature

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