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Online Casinos in general: Blocking bank account and display expiry? (Page 2)

Topic created on 28th Nov. 2024 | Page: 2 of 4 | Answers: 47 | Views: 3,626
Hulk0707
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29th Nov. 2024, at 04:13 pm CET#16
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gamble1 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 15:57:


There can be various reasons. It's not as if an alarm is immediately triggered at the bank when someone deposits or withdraws money from an illegal casino. Rather, the personal account management, the monthly deposits and withdrawals, which are considered normal for the customer, and - as stupid as it sometimes sounds - luck and bad luck play a role.

Some bank advisors may gamble themselves and look the other way, others report it immediately. You're simply not in it. It's like many things in life: Just because there's a law doesn't necessarily mean that everyone involved follows it as strictly as they should.


Okay, I'm just trying to weigh up the probabilities. I'm now so scared that I can't sleep at night. I've also had around 20 payouts with inpay over the last 16 months... all of which confirms my suspicions about Lottoland.

Will the bank then report me for money laundering or illegal gambling?

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Butterbrezel
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29th Nov. 2024, at 05:03 pm CET#17
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Hulk0707 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 16:13:

Ok, I'm just trying to weigh probabilities right now. I'm so scared now that I can't sleep at night. Also had about 20 payouts with inpay the last 16 months... all this confirms the suspicion besides Lottoland.

Will the bank then report me for money laundering or illegal gambling?

The bank reports suspicions of money laundering when it reports them.


Don't drive yourself crazy. As already described, there are so many players who gamble illegally, of course not every player will be discovered. And if you are one of the few players who are reported by the bank, you can still think about how to proceed. Everything before that is fear / panic, which is not healthy.

How high were your payouts? There has been a case with a small amount of EUR 50.00, but usually the proceedings that have been initiated here in the forum are for players with many transactions in the higher four or five-digit range.

This is certainly also different depending on the federal state and the public prosecutor's office. So it is really difficult to make a prognosis from a "gambler's point of view".

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29th Nov. 2024, at 05:05 pm CET#18
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Butterbrezel wrote on 29.11.2024 at 17:03:

The bank reports, if you report, suspicion of money laundering.


Don't drive yourself crazy. As already described, there are so many players who play illegally, of course not every player will be discovered. And if you are one of the few players who are reported by the bank, you can still think about how to proceed. Everything before that is fear / panic, which is not healthy.

How high were your payouts? There has been a case with a small amount of EUR 50.00, but usually the proceedings that have been initiated here in the forum are for players with many transactions in the higher four or five-digit range.

This is certainly also different depending on the federal state and the public prosecutor's office. So it is really difficult to make a prognosis from a "gambler's point of view".


So the report is made because of money laundering and not because of illegal gambling?
It's really difficult for me to let it go. Especially as I know I can do nothing more than wait and see...

In total, it was maybe €1600 in the last few months

The only indication apart from the summons from the police is probably if the bank gives me notice, right? Then I can assume that the ball will start rolling

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Butterbrezel
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29th Nov. 2024, at 05:11 pm CET#19
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Hulk0707 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 17:05:

It's really hard for me to let it go right now. Especially since I know I can do nothing more than wait and see...

In total it was maybe 1600€ in the last months

We don't know each other personally, so I don't know what else I could recommend.


As far as I know, there have already been proceedings in other threads about this amount that have been dropped if you simply ignore them. So even if the bank reports it, the police will send you something first, which you can simply ignore without answering. But that certainly varies from prosecutor to prosecutor.

And if the bank cancels the account, there are plenty of other banks where you can open a new one.

As already mentioned, you should stop gambling with the account immediately.

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Hulk0707
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29th Nov. 2024, at 05:16 pm CET#20
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Butterbrezel wrote on 29.11.2024 at 17:11:

We don't know each other personally, so I don't know what else to recommend.


As far as I know, there have already been proceedings in other threads about this amount that have been discontinued if you simply ignore them. So even if the bank reports it, the police will send you something first, which you can simply ignore without answering. But that certainly varies from prosecutor to prosecutor.

And if the bank cancels the account, there are plenty of other banks where you can open a new one.

As already mentioned, from now on you should stop gambling on the account.

Thank you for your help.

Does this mean that the charges will always be filed for suspected money laundering and not for illegal gambling?
Can you say that if the account is blocked, the ball is rolling and you need to worry?
Should I possibly cancel the account or will it then be looked at more closely?

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Butterbrezel
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29th Nov. 2024, at 05:37 pm CET#21
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Hulk0707 wrote on November 29, 2024 at 5:16 pm:
Thank you for the help.

Does that mean that the complaint is always made because of suspected money laundering and not because of illegal gambling?
Can you say that if the account is blocked that the stone has started rolling at the latest then and you have to worry?
Should I possibly cancel the account or will it then be looked at more closely?

Exactly. The bank is only interested in money laundering. Gambling in general reduces your creditworthiness, but that's not punishable if you gamble legally.


If your account were to be blocked, you could add 1 + 1 together. If you have no other illegal activities on your account, it would be for gambling.

Even if you were to close your account, it wouldn't change anything. Proceedings for money laundering can still be opened within 5 years.

In other words, any undertaking in this area, apart from stopping gambling, would have no advantage.

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Hulk0707
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29th Nov. 2024, at 06:49 pm CET#22
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Butterbrezel wrote on 29.11.2024 at 17:37:

Exactly. Only money laundering is of interest to the bank. Gambling in general reduces your creditworthiness, but that's not punishable if you play legally.


If your account were to be blocked, you could add 1 + 1 together. If you have no other illegal activities on your account, it would be for gambling.

Even if you were to close your account, it wouldn't change anything. Proceedings for money laundering can still be opened within 5 years.

In other words, any undertaking in this area, apart from stopping gambling, would have no advantage.

Then why do so many indictments here in the forum say that they are investigating illegal gambling? Sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to understand.

Is the account always blocked before an investigation?

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Hulk0707
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29th Nov. 2024, at 07:21 pm CET#23
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Hulk0707 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 18:49:

Then why do so many indictments here on the forum say that they are being investigated for illegal gambling ? Sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to understand.

Is the account always blocked before an investigation?

Butterbrezel wrote on 29.11.2024 at 17:37:

Exactly. Only money laundering is of interest to the bank. Gambling in general reduces your creditworthiness, but that's not punishable if you play legally.


If your account were to be blocked, you could add 1 + 1 together. If you have no other illegal activities on your account, it would be for gambling.

Even if you were to close your account, it wouldn't change anything. Proceedings for money laundering can still be opened within 5 years.

In other words, any undertaking in this area, apart from stopping gambling, would have no advantage.

Then why do so many indictments here in the forum say that there are investigations into illegal gambling ? Sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to understand.

Is the account always blocked before an investigation ?

In the worst case, do you have to expect a house search?

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29th Nov. 2024, at 11:24 pm CET#24
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Hulk0707 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 19:21:

Then why are so many indictments here in the forum saying that they are investigating for illegal gambling ? Sorry for the stupid questions, I just want to understand.

Is the account always blocked before an investigation ?

In the worst case, do you have to expect a house search?

A house search under no circumstances.

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Hulk0707
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30th Nov. 2024, at 03:42 am CET#25
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Cideone86 wrote on 29.11.2024 at 23:24:

House search by no means....

I hope so, that would be the super gau.

So again, you're saying there's nothing I can do at the moment but wait and see? The last payment from inpay was in April, nothing came, the last payouts from Lottoland were last month.
I was thinking about actively contacting the bank and talking about it? On the other hand, I don't want to wake any sleeping dogs and draw attention to this

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30th Nov. 2024, at 03:53 am CET#26
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Hulk0707 wrote on 30.11.2024 at 03:42:

I hope so, that would be the super gau.

So again you say I can't do anything but wait and see at the moment? The last payment from inpay was in April, nothing came, the last payouts from Lottoland were last month.
I was thinking about actively contacting the bank and talking about it? On the other hand, I don't want to wake any sleeping dogs and draw attention to it

No... quite simply and quite clearly: No! If you talk to them about it, you are admitting a criminal offense to them, regardless of whether it is €1 or €100,000. Then they have to report it and, no matter how benevolent they are, they can't just pretend they overlooked it. I would almost say that if you do that, you might as well make a voluntary disclosure.


At the moment, for whatever reason, there's a chance that you haven't caused a stir. This card is 100% gone when you make contact - so just leave it alone. You can't change it at the moment anyway, and anything you could do now would only make things worse.

Your account hasn't been blocked, you haven't been summoned by the police and you've stopped gambling. So you can show by your abstinence alone: "I didn't know it was illegal."
Stay relaxed - you're not a felon!


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30th Nov. 2024, at 06:10 am CET#27
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gamble1 wrote on 30.11.2024 at 03:53:

No... very simple and very clear: No! If you talk to them about it, you are admitting a crime to them, regardless of whether it's €1 or €100,000. Then they have to report it and, no matter how benevolent they are, they can't just pretend they overlooked it. I would almost say that if you do that, you might as well make a voluntary disclosure.


At the moment, for whatever reason, there's a chance that you haven't caused a stir. This card is 100% gone when you make contact - so just leave it alone. You can't change it at the moment anyway, and anything you could do now would only make things worse.

Your account hasn't been blocked, you haven't been summoned by the police and you've stopped gambling. So you can show by your abstinence alone: "I didn't know it was illegal."
Stay relaxed - you're not a felon!



Thank you gamble1 for your answer. Of course you are right. I don't know how quick Comdirect Bank is with something like this, but my thought is that maybe they just need time to get the ball rolling. If I think about it, the bank has 5 years to place an ad and I have to live in fear for another few years, then good night. I can't do that, sometimes I feel like I'm about to collapse, that's how much I worry about it.

I know I'm not a serious criminal. But when you read about the cases here, summons to the police, public prosecutor's office and possibly even a house search, I think that's pretty awesome and you just feel like a serious criminal.
Because there have been so many payouts via inpay or Lottoland since January, I don't think the bank would ask again individually but would close the account directly. That's always the case with suspected money laundering, isn't it? Or are there also cases where the account is not terminated and you still receive a report?

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30th Nov. 2024, at 10:07 am CET#28
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Hulk0707 wrote on 30/11/2024 06:10:

Thanks gamble1 for your reply. Of course you are right. I don't know how fast Comdirect Bank is with something like this but my thought is, maybe they just need time to get the ball rolling. If I think about it, the bank has 5 years to place an ad and I have to live in fear for another few years, then good night. I can't do that, sometimes I feel like I'm about to collapse, that's how much I worry about it.

I know I'm not a serious criminal. But when you read about the cases here, summons to the police, public prosecutor's office and possibly even a house search, I think that's pretty awesome and you just feel like a serious criminal.
Because there have been so many payouts via inpay or Lottoland since January, I don't think the bank would ask again individually but would close the account directly. That's always the case with suspected money laundering, isn't it? Or are there also cases where the account is not terminated and you still receive a report?

Do yourself a favor and try to find help outside the forum (friends who can help or in this case even psychological/medical help). You seem to be getting extremely, and above all unrealistically, carried away. You are getting caught up in bad images that you are afraid of, even though they are not even remotely real (house search for 1600 EUR).


The fact is that, according to your stories so far, nothing at all has happened in this regard. As already mentioned, the number of players who are "caught" is significantly lower than the number of players who play illegally.

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30th Nov. 2024, at 10:21 am CET#29
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Hulk0707 wrote on 30/11/2024 06:10:

Thanks gamble1 for your reply. Of course you are right. I don't know how fast Comdirect Bank is with something like this but my thought is, maybe they just need time to get the ball rolling. If I think about it, the bank has 5 years to place an ad and I have to live in fear for another few years, then good night. I can't do that, sometimes I feel like I'm about to collapse, that's how much I worry about it.

I know I'm not a serious criminal. But when you read about the cases here, summons to the police, public prosecutor's office and possibly even a house search, I think that's pretty awesome and you just feel like a serious criminal.
Because there have been so many payouts via inpay or Lottoland since January, I don't think the bank would ask again individually but would close the account directly. That's always the case with suspected money laundering, isn't it? Or are there also cases where the account is not terminated and you still receive a report?

Hulk I was also with comdirect and they will contact you if they suspect anything. Then you have to provide proof. So they won't suddenly close your account.

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30th Nov. 2024, at 10:30 am CET#30
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Theodor wrote on 30.11.2024 at 10:21 am:

Hulk I was also with comdirect and they get back to you if they suspect anything. Then you have to provide proof. So they won't suddenly close your account.

Yes, unfortunately I realize myself that it's taking on unhealthy traits.


Can you tell me something about your case? Which providers and sums did you play and how long did they ask for?
I can't provide any proof. Lottoland is listed in the sales and I closed my inpay account out of self-protection

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