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Online Casinos in general: Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell? (Page 4)

Topic created on 15th May. 2018 | Page: 4 of 5 | Answers: 44 | Views: 12,029
TimTheBull
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Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 01:13 pm CEST#31
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Yes, that may be, but I just can not and will not see where the 5 € clause or the 20x conversion is now the rip-off or fraud.
The casino grants you extra money to play but also says that there is the money only under certain conditions. Otherwise, everyone could permanently get 100 € bonus, then play with 20 € spins, if it does not bang, then withdraw the 100 real money. The 100 again to the bonus recharge use and again the same, so that I play only with Bonus money on high stakes until it bangs. For me, it's only understandable that the casinos secure themselves there ^^ and if you then just times what win, then they just want to have their share.

That's why I just inform myself in advance and play rather without bonuses. Then I prefer to take nen par freerolls with Videoslots, because the wins are unconditional and over the month there is something together.... with a little luck of course ^^.

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Dutch78
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Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 01:45 pm CEST#32
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stkrie wrote on 21.05.2018 at 12:38 pm: Of course you are right
If the whole thing would be allowed in Deutscland, and casinos located here, but I would at least have the
Possibility to defend myself legally.





Simply saying you don't have to play or accept the bonus is not



And if I offer Bonuses to lure people in and rip them off, because every 3rd person falls for it, that is and remains fraud.
I can not simply write everything in my AGB`s purely
The proof that this works, we see every day. And why most sit on Malta, which is a dirt around such
Geschätsgebaren cares, also says everything

And yes, we have a lot of power. We should all stop, that has always been my opinion. Then the
whole rip-off would stop. Or actually play only in the casinos, welcen a "fair" and transparent
Bonus offer



Why should you not be able to defend yourself legally?
Malta is the place to be, litigation in Malta, it's as simple as that.
Malta is not a legal vacuum, if you suspect fraud, or even better, can prove it, then you are on the safe side.
Of course, this involves some effort, but nothing that is impossible.

It's as simple as it looks, if I don't like the bonus, I don't accept it, if I suspect fraud at all Online Casinos, I simply stop playing at OCs.
I would have to be crazy to recognize this "obvious fraud" and still deposit.

Every third person falls for bonuses and that's fraud in your eyes? Here, the terms and conditions are obvious to everyone, you just have to read them and if you do not agree with them, do not accept them, to talk about fraud here just because people are too lazy or too naive and blindly wave everything through is too far-fetched for me.
Of course, most of the bonus offers of the casinos are more than modest, but it is still in my free decision whether I accept them, here I am primarily on my own responsibility, nothing else.

Why should we all stop gambling just because some are not able to find a casino that does not offer these pitfalls?
There are enough casinos without Maxbet Rules when it comes to bonus conversion, there are casinos that offer more than fair and transparent bonuses, sunmaker for example both in casino and sports.
I really can't read the word fraud on withdrawal at XY Casino anymore, knowing full well that 90% of it is related to own shortcomings, double accounts, deposits via foreign accounts, violation of bonus turnover conditions.
Partly deliberately violated, partly simply ignorant, because not informed, or once read.
Have there no understanding or pity, why also, topic personal responsibility.

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s****e

Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 01:45 pm CEST#33
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You can click on the link before accepting the bonus and the bonus rules will be displayed.
There you will find but partly the 5 euro Betsize rule no longer.


This can now be found in the general terms and conditions under general bonus conditions.
So if this is not misleading / fraud, I no longer understand the world.
These rules are deliberately hidden, and that is the fraud.
The casinos have noticed that too many now pay attention to it, and have now started,
to split the rules.

The solution can't be to play without Bonuses and let them continue!

If it would say in bold, wagering 30x, 5 Euro Betsize and the following games are excluded, would be
that ok. But even then it says somewhere else that if you accept the bonus, the max cashout is the sum X.
And that is exactly the scam. By no means all casinos do this transparently.
And that is exactly the fraud. You read through the bonus rules in the link and think that's it.
But that's not the case, and that's fraud!

And by no means everything that is in the terms and conditions, would also hold up in court.
Therefore, the reference with the immorality.

Casinos try to rip off, where it only goes, that is the only statement that I make here.
And not only by AGB `s, but with security also quite differently!

(1) Who in the intention to procure itself or a third an illegal fortune advantage, the fortune of another by the fact damages that it by pretense of wrong or by distortion or suppression of true facts an error excites or maintains, is punished with imprisonment up to five years or with fine.

Definition of fraud: Distortion of true facts arouses an error...... For me, this also includes the nesting of bonus rules in order to deny payment to at least some customers
to deny the payout. We all know that.

In Germany not everything is gold, you are right. But I am convinced that the drifting here in this form would have an end.
Alone by the realstische complaint possibility.

@Dutch

You are welcome to try a court case in Malta. With revision and the fact that it is forbidden in Germany
is forbidden in Germany, it will be funny. The costs will quickly exceed the actual win.

But you're right, not all casinos are so non-transparent, and many are themselves to blame.

Nevertheless, the rules are designed to make you fall for it
I'm not talking about those with double accounts or those who play with someone else's account.
I'm talking about beginners who bet the first time, for example, more than 5 €

I would be interested to know how much profit the casino makes from the total turnover.

The definition of fraud you see above. It is not far-fetched for me if the casinos start to split rules
to split rules. That is a deliberate deception
And just because something is in the terms and conditions, that does not mean that it also has legal validity.
Quite apart from that.

I can with Ebay classifieds also AGB `s purely write as I want, nevertheless not all would have
juridical continuance


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Dutch78
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21st May. 2018, at 02:44 pm CEST#34
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stkrie wrote on 05/21/2018 at 1:45 pm

@Dutch

Feel free to take that to court in Malta. With revision and the fact that it is in Germany
is forbidden in Germany, it will be funny. The costs will quickly exceed the actual win.



Love from my husband, who sees the matter somewhat differently.


Malta is a member of the European un ion, therefore all casinos located in Malta with the appropriate licenses may operate in all member states of the European un ion without any obstacles, that applies to goods and services on the Internet.
Should the German state take legal action against casinos and players, the European Court of Justice would intervene, because it may surprise you, but European law is above German law.
The probability that the German state would prevail here against the Court of Justice is close to zero, so I do not see any arguments that would make it impossible for you to file a lawsuit in Malta.
The costs, which could exceed the win, do not come here at all to bear, should the fraud be verifiable from your side, be it in the game process, or but in the terms and conditions, the defendant bears all expenses, so what keeps you from it?

However, you should note that you agreed to the terms and conditions even before you were able to Deposit for the first time, also with regard to the fraud cases you mentioned in relation to the bonus conditions.
The full terms and conditions will be displayed to you during registration, and they also contain your bonus conditions, which are declared as hidden, but which are obvious to everyone if they also look at the terms and conditions.
All this is not magic, they are there in black and white, you do not have to recite a spell to make them visible, they are there from the beginning and if I find them when reading, then others, no magic ink, no double bottom, no hiding.

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s****e

Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 02:55 pm CEST#35
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You don't have to tell me about law

The German state has until today so many demands, which were given by the European Court of Justice,
have not been implemented,
that no longer elicits shouts of enthusiasm from me.
If you did not know it yet, Germany is one of the largest penalty payers because of not implemented regulations
within the EU!

I would not necessarily rely on it now.

And if you want to sue at the European Court of Justice, I wish you a lot of fun!

Have already written above that not all AGB`s legally count, just because you have accepted them.

Why are there no casinos in Germany except in SH?

Ever thought about it?

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Knochen
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Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 02:57 pm CEST#36
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stkrie wrote on 21.05.2018 at 14:55: You don't really have to educate me about law


haha

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s****e

Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 02:59 pm CEST#37
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Oh look, Pimpf is reporting again. Did mom let you
PC? Sweet. As a high school graduate, you are of course very well versed in German and
and European law. I forgot, ha ha

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Knochen
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Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 03:02 pm CEST#38
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stkrie wrote on 05/21/2018 at 2:59 pm: Oh look, Pimpf is checking in again too. Did mom let you use the
PC let you? Sweet. You as a high school graduate know of course excellent in the German
and European law. I forgot, ha ha

hahaha

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s****e

Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 03:12 pm CEST#39
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Oh, the mama makes food! Then you may a little longer on the internet
But not on the dirty pages, otherwise you'll be grounded!
Well, with haha there are at least no mistakes

Hmm, apparently the food is ready....

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Julian
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Betsafe - Experiences in a nutshell?

21st May. 2018, at 03:32 pm CEST#40
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Please stay on topic.

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