Online Casinos in general: Bastian Schweinsteiger is now advertising for the vending machine industry (Page 2)

Marqes wrote on 10/23/2018 at 10:09 AM

Yeah I have to say my post was more laid out on the RTPs of online slots.

I don't play offline anyway.

Is eh again such a topic that we have had here quite often, can fill pages, trolls and triggers disputes.

Therefore I abstain now ?

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Unbeliver wrote on 23.10.2018 at 01:32 clock: That serves the machine manufacturers, installers and operators, etc. right. With RTPs of 60% and probably partly not even that and the rather outdated offer, one is just overrun by the Internet and apart from the one or other bonus rule or some woolly T&Cs, the OCs known to us as reputable are now worlds better than any Spielo or branch or whatever you want to call the oh so battered facilities. No player can help it that the fine gentlemen have missed the development and have failed to develop an attractive offer which really appeals to the people. Now to constantly refer to the illegality is pathetic for me
What works in these "pubs" is the alcohol ban and 18+, but that's it. Player protection is probably the most ridiculous argument, how many have gambled away their livelihood at those and no one cared...

• Higher payout ratio: Games in online casinos have a higher payout ratio of 95% on average, which leads to approximately 5x lower average losses (in the long term) - provided, of course, that you play with the same stakes as in casinos (20 cents per spin,12 spins per minute, 5 minute break after an hour and if you have a bad run, make sure that you only lose 80€ or 60€ per hour and pause accordingly).


• Higher transparency: For almost every game in online casinos, you can find information on the payout ratio in the game description or the paytable. In gaming arcades, but also in casinos, you usually do not get such information and if you do, you usually get this information only approximately from an untrained employee who has no or little knowledge of it.


• Higher variety of games: Online casinos usually have more games to choose from, which are usually more modern and entertaining than the games in casinos and casinos.


• Lower Manipulation possibilities: The games are centrally hosted by the respective game manufacturers. Individual online casinos have no possibility to manipulate the games themselves, as it often happens in gaming houses (keyword: saving boards). In addition, every single spin is permanently stored and can be viewed by players and the supervisory authorities at any time. From this data, players can also calculate their personal payout ratio at any time. With the "myRTP" function, the online casino Videoslots offers players a convenient way to view their personal payout ratio per game or in total. The game manufacturers also have to face several regulatory bodies, including the UK Gambling Commission - one of the strictest regulatory bodies in the world.


• Higher wins possible: In online casinos, you can theoretically win very high sums or even become a millionaire (if you hit a big jackpot). This is not possible in casinos, but also in many casinos, because not all casinos have jackpots in the millions.


• Better player protection and youth protection: In this point, the iGaming industry is also still in need of improvement, but player protection online is currently no worse than in gaming arcades and especially in the hospitality sector. How do pathological gamblers want to be effectively protected if you can only lock yourself in individual gaming arcades (except in Hesse)? How is the protection of minors to be ensured if there is a Slot machine freely accessible to everyone in every kebab stand (also in Hesse)? At some gas stations, Slot machines even stand around completely unsupervised. What kind of player and youth protection is that? In the gastro area, even completely uninvolved people come into contact with slot machine gambling and may become hooked there.


• Better prevention of money laundering: In casinos and gaming houses, a lot of things are done using cash. In online casinos, the identity of each user is established, at the latest, when a withdrawal is made. It is easier to detect money laundering and criminal activities via electronic money transfers. I must confess at this point that I know too little about money laundering and this is only my current opinion, I'm happy to be taught better here.


• Environmental protection and cityscape: The mass production of physical gambling machines devours vast amounts of raw materials and resources, and the cityscape in many cities is disfigured by the many arcades that used to sprout up like mushrooms, and still do today (?).


• Lower Risk of becoming a victim of violence: At least in hot spots and big cities, you run the risk of becoming a victim of violence in gambling houses or casinos - on your way home or through a robbery in a gambling house or casino.


• Better audience or no audience: Online you can choose yourself in which society you want to play. In big cities you often have to deal with an asocial clientele in gambling houses. In casinos this is usually much better, but the minimum bet is often 1€ (if you want to play Novomatic and all lines) and the drink prices are about as high or higher than in the gastro area. Reasonable players with a small budget, are excluded and have to mingle with associative and criminal players to play.

• Less social contact: If you're lucky enough to live in a city or part of a city where low-income players aren't necessarily antisocial, not having social contacts can be a nightmare.


• Vague terms and conditions and bonus rules: If you play with a bonus in an online casino and do not adhere to the bonus rules (intentionally or out of ignorance), you can lose your wins - unfortunately also in EU-licensed online casinos (Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Alderny and United Kingdom).


• Wins are difficult to claim: In the event of a dispute between an EU casino, legal action must be taken in the country where the online casino is licensed and based. However, if the facts are clear, you can complain to the relevant regulatory authority and will get your money with the help of this authority, see: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/merkur-casino-verweigert-auszahlung/


• Many dubious providers from overseas: At online casinos with gambling license outside the EU, you run the risk as a player to fall victim to fraud. For payouts, you are solely dependent on the goodwill of the casinos (even if you have adhered to all the rules of the casino). Who wants to play in online casinos, should therefore only inform themselves on GambleJoe and play in those with us listed online casinos or in EU casinos.

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Daniel wrote on 23/10/2018 at 11:35 AM
Well analyzed but to be fair the payout rate is already around 75 percent. But you don't know it exactly because nothing is stated and there are no regulations/guidelines in Germany. There is no legal payout ratio since 2005. Realistic are 75 percent payout ratio, if it were at 60% you would not be able to play with a loss limit of 80€ or now 60€ / hour (??), because then the average loss with a bet of 20 cents would be 57.60€ the hour, which would mean that you would have as good as always booking breaks (even if you play consistently on 20 cents per spin)

Bet / Spin	Spins / Minute	AQ (house advantage)	Average loss per spin	Average loss per hour
0,20€	12	95% (5%)	0,01€	7,20€
0,20€	12	75% (25%)	0,05€	36,00€
0,20€	12	60% (40%)	0,08€	57,60€
0,20€	12	50% (50%)	0,10€	72,00€

Logically, under these conditions, the players migrate. As a player, you simply have too many advantages in Online Casinos, which would be among others:

• Higher payout ratio: Games in online casinos have a higher payout ratio of 95% on average, which leads to approximately 5x lower average losses (in the long term) - provided, of course, that you play with the same stakes as in casinos (20 cents per spin,12 spins per minute, 5 minute break after an hour and if you have a bad run, make sure that you only lose 80€ or 60€ per hour and pause accordingly).


• Higher transparency: For almost every game in online casinos, you can find information on the payout ratio in the game description or the paytable. In gaming arcades, but also in casinos, you usually do not get such information and if you do, you usually get this information only approximately from an untrained employee who has no or little knowledge of it.


• Higher variety of games: Online casinos usually have more games to choose from, which are usually more modern and entertaining than the games in casinos and casinos.


• Lower Manipulation possibilities: The games are centrally hosted by the respective game manufacturers. Individual online casinos have no possibility to manipulate the games themselves, as it often happens in gaming houses (keyword: saving boards). In addition, every single spin is permanently stored and can be viewed by players and the supervisory authorities at any time. From this data, players can also calculate their personal payout ratio at any time. The online casino Videoslots offers players a convenient way to view their personal payout ratio per game or overall with the "myRTP" function. The game manufacturers also have to face several regulatory bodies, including the UK Gambling Commission - one of the strictest regulatory bodies in the world.


• Higher wins possible: In online casinos, you can theoretically win very high sums or even become a millionaire (if you hit a big jackpot). This is not possible in casinos, but also in many casinos, because not all casinos have jackpots in the millions.


• Better Player protection and youth protection: In this point, the iGaming industry is also still in need of improvement, but player protection online is currently no worse than in gaming arcades and especially in the hospitality sector. How do pathological gamblers want to be effectively protected if you can only lock yourself in individual gaming arcades (except in Hesse)? How is the protection of minors to be ensured if there is a Slot machine freely accessible to everyone in every kebab stand (also in Hesse)? At some gas stations, Slot machines even stand around completely unsupervised. What kind of player and youth protection is that? In the gastro area, even completely uninvolved people come into contact with slot machine gambling and may become hooked there.


• Better prevention of money laundering: In casinos and gaming houses, a lot of things are done using cash. In online casinos, the identity of each user is established, at the latest, when a withdrawal is made. It is easier to detect money laundering and criminal activities via electronic money transfers. I must confess at this point that I know too little about money laundering and this is only my current opinion, I'm happy to be taught better here.


• Environmental protection and cityscape: The mass production of physical gambling machines devours vast amounts of raw materials and resources, and the cityscape in many cities is disfigured by the many arcades that used to sprout up like mushrooms, and still do today (?).


• Lower Risk of becoming a victim of violence: At least in hot spots and big cities, you run the risk of becoming a victim of violence in gambling houses or casinos - on your way home or as a result of a robbery in a gambling house or casino.


• Better audience or no audience: Online you can choose yourself in which society you want to play. In big cities you often have to deal with an asocial clientele in gambling houses. In casinos this is usually much better, but the minimum bet is often 1€ (if you want to play Novomatic and all lines) and the drink prices are about as high or higher than in the gastro area. Reasonable players with a small budget, are excluded and have to mingle with associative and criminal players to play.

There are of course disadvantages to playing online and these would be:

• Less social contact: If you're lucky enough to live in a city or part of a city where low-income players aren't necessarily anti-social, not having social contacts can be a nightmare.


• Vague terms and conditions and bonus rules: If you play with a bonus in an online casino and do not adhere to the bonus rules (intentionally or out of ignorance), you can lose your wins - unfortunately also in EU-licensed online casinos (Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Alderny and United Kingdom).


• Wins are difficult to claim: In the event of a dispute between an EU casino, legal action must be taken in the country where the online casino is licensed and based. However, if the facts are clear, you can complain to the relevant regulatory authority and will get your money with the help of this authority, see: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/merkur-casino-verweigert-auszahlung/


• Many dubious providers from overseas: At online casinos with gambling license outside the EU, you run the risk as a player to fall victim to fraud. For payouts, you are solely dependent on the goodwill of the casinos (even if you have adhered to all the rules of the casino). Who wants to play in online casinos, should therefore only inform themselves on GambleJoe and play in those with us listed online casinos or in EU casinos.

I don't know about soccer but I read from this thread and the linked article that Bastian Schweinsteiger seems to be a very trustworthy person. Unfortunately he let himself be bought by the wrong ones - maybe he is not even aware of it. He has unfortunately allowed himself to be bought by people who want to restrict the freedom of players in this country.

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Daniel wrote on 23/10/2018 at 11:35 AM
Well analyzed but to be fair the payout rate is already around 75 percent. But you don't know it exactly because nothing is stated and there are no regulations/guidelines in Germany. There is no legal payout ratio since 2005. Realistic are 75 percent payout ratio, if it were at 60% you would not be able to play with a loss limit of 80€ or now 60€ / hour (??), because then the average loss with a bet of 20 cents would be 57.60€ the hour, which would mean that you would have as good as always booking breaks (even if you play consistently on 20 cents per spin)

Bet / Spin	Spins / Minute	AQ (house advantage)	Average loss per spin	Average loss per hour
0,20€	12	95% (5%)	0,01€	7,20€
0,20€	12	75% (25%)	0,05€	36,00€
0,20€	12	60% (40%)	0,08€	57,60€
0,20€	12	50% (50%)	0,10€	72,00€

Logically, under these conditions, the players migrate. As a player, you simply have too many advantages in Online Casinos, which would be among others:

• Higher payout ratio: Games in online casinos have a higher payout ratio of 95% on average, which leads to approximately 5x lower average losses (in the long term) - provided, of course, that you play with the same stakes as in casinos (20 cents per spin,12 spins per minute, 5 minute break after an hour and if you have a bad run, make sure that you only lose 80€ or 60€ per hour and pause accordingly).


• Higher transparency: For almost every game in online casinos, you can find information on the payout ratio in the game description or the paytable. In gaming arcades, but also in casinos, you usually do not get such information and if you do, you usually get this information only approximately from an untrained employee who has no or little knowledge of it.


• Higher variety of games: Online casinos usually have more games to choose from, which are usually more modern and entertaining than the games in casinos and casinos.


• Lower Manipulation possibilities: The games are centrally hosted by the respective game manufacturers. Individual online casinos have no possibility to manipulate the games themselves, as it often happens in gaming houses (keyword: saving boards). In addition, every single spin is permanently stored and can be viewed by players and the supervisory authorities at any time. From this data, players can also calculate their personal payout ratio at any time. The online casino Videoslots offers players a convenient way to view their personal payout ratio per game or overall with the "myRTP" function. The game manufacturers also have to face several regulatory bodies, including the UK Gambling Commission - one of the strictest regulatory bodies in the world.


• Higher wins possible: In online casinos, you can theoretically win very high sums or even become a millionaire (if you hit a big jackpot). This is not possible in casinos, but also in many casinos, because not all casinos have jackpots in the millions.


• Better Player protection and youth protection: In this point, the iGaming industry is also still in need of improvement, but player protection online is currently no worse than in gaming arcades and especially in the hospitality sector. How do pathological gamblers want to be effectively protected if you can only lock yourself in individual gaming arcades (except in Hesse)? How is the protection of minors to be ensured if there is a Slot machine freely accessible to everyone in every kebab stand (also in Hesse)? At some gas stations, Slot machines even stand around completely unsupervised. What kind of player and youth protection is that? In the gastro area, even completely uninvolved people come into contact with slot machine gambling and may become hooked there.


• Better prevention of money laundering: In casinos and gaming houses, a lot of things are done using cash. In online casinos, the identity of each user is established, at the latest, when a withdrawal is made. It is easier to detect money laundering and criminal activities via electronic money transfers. I must confess at this point that I know too little about money laundering and this is only my current opinion, I'm happy to be taught better here.


• Environmental protection and cityscape: The mass production of physical gambling machines devours vast amounts of raw materials and resources, and the cityscape in many cities is disfigured by the many arcades that used to sprout up like mushrooms, and still do today (?).


• Lower Risk of becoming a victim of violence: At least in hot spots and big cities, you run the risk of becoming a victim of violence in gambling houses or casinos - on your way home or through a robbery in a gambling house or casino.


• Better audience or no audience: Online you can choose yourself in which society you want to play. In big cities you often have to deal with an asocial clientele in gambling houses. In casinos this is usually much better, but the minimum bet is often 1€ (if you want to play Novomatic and all lines) and the drink prices are about as high or higher than in the gastro area. Reasonable players with a small budget, are excluded and have to mingle with associative and criminal players to play.

There are of course disadvantages to playing online and these would be:

• Less social contact: If you're lucky enough to live in a city or part of a city where low-income players aren't necessarily anti-social, not having social contacts can be a nightmare.


• Vague terms and conditions and bonus rules: If you play with a bonus in an online casino and do not adhere to the bonus rules (intentionally or out of ignorance), you can lose your wins - unfortunately also in EU-licensed online casinos (Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Alderny and United Kingdom).


• Wins are difficult to claim: In the event of a dispute between an EU casino, legal action must be taken in the country where the online casino is licensed and based. However, if the facts are clear, you can complain to the relevant regulatory authority and will get your money with the help of this authority, see: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/merkur-casino-verweigert-auszahlung/


• Many dubious providers from overseas: At online casinos with gambling license outside the EU, you run the risk as a player to fall victim to fraud. For payouts, you are solely dependent on the goodwill of the casinos (even if you have adhered to all the rules of the casino). Who wants to play in online casinos, should therefore only inform themselves on GambleJoe and play in those with us listed online casinos or in EU casinos.

I don't know anything about soccer but I read from this thread and the linked article that Bastian Schweinsteiger seems to be a very trustworthy person - certainly also a role model for many children and young people

Unfortunately, good Bastian has let himself be bought by the wrong ones - maybe he is not even aware of it. He unfortunately let himself be bought by people who want to restrict the freedom of gamers in this country. A great move by Bastian Schweinsteiger would be to end the cooperation for ethical reasons. In my opinion, athletes should generally not advertise gambling, alcohol, drugs or tobacco - not even online gambling. I also think that a well-known soccer player like Bastian Schweinsteiger should not need to represent the slot machine industry from a financial point of view.

In my opinion, the current situation is that the state-owned gambling providers and the quasi-monopolists Novomatic and Gauselmann (Merkur) have divided the cake between themselves. The wealthy players are supposed to stay in the few state-owned casinos through booking breaks and other restrictions, and Gauselmann and Novomatic get the masses.

Player protection plays either no or only a very subordinate role here. The state gambling providers, as well as the private market leaders (Gauselmann and Novomatic) would prefer to ban the online gambling market. Instead of regulating the online gambling market sensibly , they are trying to ban a market that has long since arrived in the middle of society through lobbying and state repression. However, this will not work - even if all reputable online casinos were to withdraw. Then there are still the mafia casinos without a license, which are already rubbing their hands and looking forward to an online gambling ban.

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HopfenGamble wrote on 22.10.2018 at 18:55: That #BS31 football god for something like this ... I do not understand it. Grad clicked with amazement here on the thread and thought this was n fake, isseses but unfortunately not. Will read through the linked article right now

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Stromberg wrote on 24.10.2018 at 10:15: Can we then probably conclude from the campaign that a return of Merkur and Novo to the German online market is rather not foreseeable? I would at least interpret it that way.

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Bones wrote on 10/24/2018 at 10:17 AM
Who knows. Maybe Merkur and Novo will come back to a regulated German market, in return we won't be able to play Netent, Play n Go and BTG anymore. You can see from this article yes, how unscrupulous in this industry is dealt with competition.

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