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Online Casinos in general: Account closure as of 30.06 (Page 11)

Topic created on 14th Jun. 2021 | Page: 11 of 13 | Answers: 121 | Views: 37,466
ramb00
Amateur
Matthlign wrote on 30.06.2021 at 13:08: That some other providers are already leaving the German market now, has many reasons - from lack of (sufficient) market share, poor or no legal advice to withdraw to then reposition for the German market and XY reasons in between

But more interesting is the question why industry giants like Platin and N1 do not withdraw - these are companies with enormous annual revenues generated in the German market
These companies do not act blindly, they are well informed as well as legally secured or have gone through their current procedure with XY many lawyers.

This should show everyone that the stove is not yet out as of tomorrow

In addition, the state has really cut into its own flesh by publicly stating that the authority will only serve to monitor the market until July 2022 and will only take over the implementation of IP blocks and payment interlocks to casinos from 2022 and all other tasks from 2023

In principle, tomorrow we enter another transition year
Why, because the authority ersteinmal must be set up so that it can really work from summer 2022
This is all in the making and not an already functioning and working authority

We still have a grace period, even if the licensing is carried out in an expedited procedure - where there is no plaintiff, there is no defendant
With or without a license, nothing will happen before 2022 and by then, within 12 months, a lot can happen
Perhaps by then the casino lobby will have found ways to circumvent certain aspects of the contract
Wait and see

But all is not yet day's end

Top formulated ! that's how I see it, too.

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Anonym
Here again in black and white how the process is planned

See" "Joint gambling authority of the federal states

https://mi.sachsen-anhalt.de/themen/gluecksspiel/gluecksspielstaatsvertrag-2021/

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Katharina2
Top Member
Matthlign wrote on 30.06.2021 at 13:08: That some other providers are already leaving the German market now, has many reasons - from lack of (sufficient) market share, poor or no legal advice to withdraw to then reposition for the German market and XY reasons in between

But more interesting is the question why industry giants like Platin and N1 do not withdraw - these are companies with enormous annual revenues generated in the German market
These companies do not act blindly, they are well informed as well as legally secured or have gone through their current procedure with XY many lawyers.

This should show everyone that the stove is not yet out tomorrow

In addition, the state has really cut into its own flesh by publicly stating that the authority will only serve to monitor the market until July 2022 and will only take over the implementation of IP blocks and payment interlocks to casinos from 2022 and all other tasks from 2023

In principle, tomorrow we enter another transition year
Why, because the authority ersteinmal must be set up so that it can really work from summer 2022
This is all in the making and not an already functioning and working authority

We still have a grace period, even if the licensing is carried out in an expedited procedure - where there is no plaintiff, there is no defendant
With or without a license, nothing will happen before 2022 and by then, within 12 months, a lot can happen
Perhaps by then the casino lobby will have found ways to get around certain aspects of the contract
Wait and see

But all is not yet day's end

I find the scaremongering not so good, because you have as a player the choice of which casino you want to play. And also a MGA casino without a German license can be legal. As long as you sail as a player under European license, the freedom of services takes effect and you are on the safe side. Read the post 88 again, or the link to it. It does not matter what DE does from tomorrow and 2/3 years, the casinos have already set up and know very well what is right

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Das_Phantom
Rookie
Katharina2 wrote on 30.06.2021 at 16:10
[...] As long as you sail as a player under European license, the freedom of services takes effect and you are on the safe side. Read post 88 again, or the link to it. [...]

No! This is old hat and has already been contradicted (several times).

Quote:

According to the Federal Administrative Court, there is no violation of the freedom to provide services

However, the Federal Administrative Court has clearly rejected this legal opinion, taking into account the relevant case law of the Federal Constitutional Court and the European Court of Justice. The main points of the ruling:


"1. the prohibition, Poker and Casinospiele in the Internet to organize and arrange, is compatible with un ion and constitutional law further.


2. It is compatible with un ion and constitutional law to oppose the Provider of online sports betting in the gambling law prohibition proceedings the lack of the necessary permission." (BVerwG Urt. v. 26.10.2017 - 8 C 18.16, emphasis added by Kanzlei)


With its decision, the Federal Administrative Court refers to various court decisions, which the online casino providers repeatedly cite in their favor. However, the Federal Administrative Court made it unequivocally clear that the protection of important general interests takes precedence over the freedom to provide services under Article 56 TFEU.


"b) The internet ban of Section 4 (4) and (5) GlüStV 2012 can be held against the plaintiff. It is consistent with constitutional and un ion law. As the Senate (BVerwG, judgment of June 1, 2011 - 8 C 5.10 - BVerwGE 140, 1), the Federal Constitutional Court (BVerfG, Chamber decision of October 14, 2008 - 1 BvR 928/08 - NVwZ 2008, 1338) and the European Court of Justice (ECJ, judgments of September 8, 2009 - C-42/07 [ECLI:EU:C:2009:519], Liga Portuguesa -, of 8. As already decided by the European Court of Justice in its judgments of 8 September 2010 - C-316/07 [ECLI:EU:C:2010:504], Markus Stoß - and - C-46/08 [ECLI:EU:C:2010:505], Carmen Media - and of 30 June 2011 - C-212/08 [ECLI:EU:C:2011:437], Zeturf) on the then Section 4 (4) GlüStV 2008, a general Internet ban on public gambling is compatible with the fundamental right of freedom of occupation and the general principle of equality, as well as with un ion law. The fact that the self-distribution and brokerage of lotteries as well as the organization and brokerage of sports or horse betting (cf. Section 27 (2) GlüStV 2012) can now be permitted on the Internet pursuant to Section 4 (5) of the amended State Treaty on Gaming does not lead to a different legal assessment." (BVerwG, ruling dated 26.10.2017 - 8 C 14.16, emphasis added by law firm)


---> The ruling of the Federal Administrative Court states beyond any doubt that casino operators are prohibited from offering their Online Casinos on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, regardless of whether they hold a license for another EU Member State and may legally offer their online casino there.






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Katharina2
Top Member
The_Phantom wrote on 06/30/2021 at 16:37


That is correct for casinos with e.g. MaltaLizenz which offer here in Germany
The freedom of the European and player remains unaffected.
Read your quote properly.

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Falko
Icon
The usual weekly free play gifts at Novibet have now also ended. By mail they have said goodbye to me. What I ask myself but then why they had the restrictions at all so far, if they now to the deadline to say goodbye to the German market completely

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DieWunderharke5000
Top Member
No, not Novibet either. Have there never played casino, but very happy sports betting. Thought actually the remain open at least for sports betting.

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MasterChiefKief
Expert
Falko wrote on 30.06.2021 at 18:08: The usual weekly free play gifts at Novibet are now also ended. By mail they have said goodbye to me. What I wonder but then why they had the restrictions at all so far, if they now to the deadline to say goodbye to the German market completely.

The same I wonder, have the email also just received.

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Sarkasto
Expert
Falko wrote on 30.06.2021 at 18:08: The usual weekly free play gifts at Novibet are now also ended. By mail they have said goodbye to me. What I wonder but then why they had the restrictions at all so far, if they now to the deadline to say goodbye to the German market completely.

Exactly my speeches... No casino has even the hint of a glimmer, what should be exactly loose in DE from tomorrow... But those can make no reproach, in my eyes the legislator has simply missed to create clarity... So what the last 9 months everything was changed, you could have saved. But one does not want to grumble.

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TranceBabe
Expert
I have so far received the said goodbye email from the following casinos:

Bet90
Betfair
Slotsmillion
Boss Casino
Novibet
21.com
NeonVegas
Guts
FansBet

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