A lot of money gambled away, chargeback possible?

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mk5jas

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2nd Jan. 2020, at 10:28 pm CET#241

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Nobody will be able to help you because only a court will decide. There is no "yes you get your money back" and there never will be. Rulings that go in favor of the players only show you that it might work
File sharing is a good example. One had to pay nothing, the other had to pay, although the cases were all quite the same
With such high debts I would be interested in how you will pay the lawyer and if you lose, which is quite possible, pay the costs for the court
Just because others win in court does not mean you win

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Kleinkariert

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A lot of money gambled away, chargeback possible?

2nd Jan. 2020, at 10:30 pm CET#242

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Esmerim1 wrote on 02.01.2020 at 19:38: Hey guys have times a question

It's about PayPal, as you know it is forbidden to Deposit with Paypal.

Since I was very violent Gambling addiction and therefore almost 50 000 euros in Debt to my bank, I wrote to Paypal whether there would be a refund 1. because Online Casinos are banned in Germany 2. because my bank advisor at the time Paypal has sent a letter they should finally block my account because of gambling addiction they have not done it but still and 3. because I just regret it so incredibly everything, it has simply ruined my life
Of course the answer from Paypal was NO
i have stopped gambling because I really fell on my face but waking up every day with the debt is otherwise bad.
So today I called Paypal and asked why there is no more Paypal in online casinos? The gentleman said yes because it is forbidden. Then I said Oh so I could reclaim my money because it was forbidden and you have offered it ? Then the gentleman said, no last year it was legal, this year it's illegal'
lol what do you say to that ?
And today they sent me this

You refer to the criminal offense of illegal gambling (§ 284 StGB), § 4 para 4 Glücksspielstaatsvertrag (GlüStV) for casino games, according to which no compensation claims against you would exist. This payment was completed and the amount was credited to the PayPal account of the recipient on the same day.
Please note that PayPal has no control over the flow of customer payments. When you send a payment using PayPal, you are placing a payment order with us. A period of one business day applies to the execution of payment orders in accordance with this agreement. Within this period, PayPal will execute a payment order placed through the payment account by crediting the amount instructed to the recipient's payment service provider.
You initiated this payment and sent it to an existing PayPal account. PayPal has no control over this and cannot make any changes during or after the payment order is given by you.
With PayPal you can send and receive payments. Thereby PayPal is an independent contractor. This means: We have no control over goods or services that are paid for with PayPal, nor do we assume any liability for them.
As this direct debit payment was authorized by you, we would now like to ask you to clear the negative balance on your PayPal account. We reserve the right to restrict your account and forward the claim to an external collection agency.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ?? Hope someone can help me...

You need a lawyer who deals with it. From this point on, no user can help you anymore, because it will take a lot of time for your nerves. They contact you first about all channels and threaten you with everything and without a lawyer you will not get out of it well, but even with a lawyer there was no security that you get out of it in one piece. Paypal has dropped many claims, but that does not mean that it is easy and certainly not easy times should be tried.

For example, the law firm Lenne was known in recent years to distribute sample letters, but then stopped it. How they will react to it now I don't know. But the initial consultation should still be free of charge, it is also possible by telephone.

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Sindragosa

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26th Sep. 2020, at 11:45 pm CEST#243

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Is there no update ?

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27th Sep. 2020, at 12:05 am CEST#244

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First, I'm really sorry for you I can feel it really well my record was it also times within 2 std 850 euros (Bj table the Dealer had nen horseshoe on the butt... ) however, I have to mention like all here also that is gambling sometimes you win sometimes you lose and for all the consequences you have to answer in the end!

Lg

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26th Apr. 2022, at 05:16 pm CEST#245

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Casino is a risky thing. Although I also like to gamble.

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16th Aug. 2022, at 09:40 am CEST#246

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Today there was a report in the magazine Stiftung Warentest that many online gambling games are still illegal.
Many online gambling games continue to be illegal. Anyone who has lost money on illegal online offers can demand reimbursement of all losses. The Regional Court in Waldshut-Tiengen ordered ElectraWorks Ltd., based in Gibraltar, to reimburse a man for around 10,000 euros he had lost on partypoker.com (Ref. 3 O 374/20). A license in Malta does not make offers legal in Germany, ruled the Bochum Regional Court (Ref. 3 O 75/21), and ordered another Provider to refund 25 654.20 euros.

I will not sue anything, but who really had high losses, afterwards wants to draw a line, should at least treat themselves to an initial consultation from the lawyer....

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upola

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16th Aug. 2022, at 12:21 pm CEST#247

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You can sue the casinos and get right, but that does not mean that the casino also pays.

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16th Aug. 2022, at 01:44 pm CEST#248

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upola wrote on 16.08.2022 at 12:21 pm: You can sue the casinos and get right, but that does not mean the casino also pays.

That's how it is.
PartyPoker or ElectraWorks Ltd. has now been sentenced more often, but whether there was a refund is unclear. Should BigPlayer like PartyPoker and Pokerstars strive for a German license, then they would also have to pay the money.

I am still unclear whether to press charges against PartyPoker or not. More than 20.000€ are in the room, before that I would definitely have to pay some costs of around 4.500€.... Critical

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16th Aug. 2022, at 02:56 pm CEST#249

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Royal777 wrote on 08/16/2022 at 13:44
That's right...
PartyPoker or ElectraWorks Ltd. has now been sentenced more often, but whether there was a refund is Unklar. If BigPlayers like PartyPoker and Pokerstars try to get a German license, then they would have to pay the money as well.

I am still unclear whether to press charges against PartyPoker or not. More than 20.000€ are in the room, before that I would definitely have to pay some costs of around 4.500€.... Critical

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20k is a down payment for a nice car

Or 2 fat trips
If you can afford it why not, even if it comes out on a settlement who also a try to write to the without a lawyer whether they give you a part again, just without court and lawyer try
Let's see how they react and then you can look yes
20k is worth it mMn

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16th Aug. 2022, at 03:18 pm CEST#250

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Peter8 wrote on 16.08.2022 at 14:56

20k is a down payment for a nice car

Or 2 fat trips
If you can afford it why not, even if it comes out on a settlement who also a try to write to the without a lawyer whether they give you a part again, just without court and lawyer try
Let's see how they react and then you can look yes
20k it is worth mMn

The 4,500 € I can not afford yet, although I save for 3 months strongly. Probably you could also agree on an installment payment, but I still have doubts.

A professional cover letter has already been written, I would only have to hand it over. Nevertheless, I am convinced that PartyPoker would immediately block my account and is guaranteed not to accommodate me.

Strictly speaking, I am a customer there since I was 18 years old (2005), so the decision is not so easy for me....

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