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Online Casinos in general: 15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me... (Page 3)

Topic created on 16th Dec. 2018 | Page: 3 of 4 | Answers: 32 | Views: 6,719
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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

17th Dec. 2018, at 10:35 pm CET#21
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TonioKroeger wrote on 12/17/2018 at 10:03 PM

Is there actually a reliable, maybe even scientifically proven source for the statement that the win is already predetermined when the FS is triggered? It is quite possible, and I believe it, but where does it say that, or who said it? Questions come to my mind about long, interrupted FS series with double-digit extensions, which you might then interrupt for a few more days.


As far as the initial question is concerned, I have often experienced, especially with "Legacy", that on a certain, rather low tray is given and as soon as one hopefully raises, nothing but also nothing at all goes, so here e.g. the pyramids do not come. Many wins are gambled away in this way and in the end the OC has won. The "coincidence" releases the first good FS, the system gave something, afterwards it runs again worse (or evenly normally in the sense that one always loses over a longer period, the OC wins). This principle affects all games. It only runs differently when the system opens up and you have a "winning streak", meaning you can win in other games and raises pay off.


To what extent high stakes affect the way it works I don't know, but the RTP remains the same. However, with high stakes the money can be lost much faster and I therefore recommend to increase only in moderation that does not tempt you into permanently tense posture.

That with the free spins is in the documentation of the slot manufacturers, the free spins and the process are saved. Of course, you can not objectively testify, because it is not verifiable that it is really so in the end. The same with pressing "Spin" the result is immediately fixed, you can also not reinstoppen Scatters - nevertheless you try it. You can do it, sometimes the feeling is better than the truth. You just think that you have recognized a pattern more fun and if it then runs a bit you are even more pleased, but you must not turn the wheel completely and suddenly throw in far too high stakes - because that often ends badly, as you noticed again and again.

I've had a day where I had Pragmatic Slots after no more than 10 spins free spins or some bonus, I thought that I have it out. But it was just pure luck, because the next day followed 800 spins without a bonus and when now these bad spins start is probably also random. With increased stakes, but this is extremely noticeable, because the stakes are then already a lot of money when nothing comes.

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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

17th Dec. 2018, at 10:39 pm CET#22
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I am pretty sure that the FS win is already determined at the beginning. Somewhere in the forum I think you can even find a tutorial from Daniel how you can look up the amount before the start of free spins? Thought I had read that once.

I am also of the opinion that this is completely irrelevant to the fraud discussion. Each spin achieves a certain amount of X. When pressing the start button this amount is fixed. Everything that happens then is only graphical representation. That means the free spins are also only the graphical representation of an X win. It is conceivable that there are exceptions slots, such as Who wants to be a millionaire. I believe somewhere that you win more with 50 spins than you would have won with 8 if you had accepted the free spins directly. But these are all just theories

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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

17th Dec. 2018, at 10:50 pm CET#23
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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

17th Dec. 2018, at 10:55 pm CET#24
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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

17th Dec. 2018, at 11:29 pm CET#25
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Knochen wrote on 17.12.2018 at 22:39: like for example Who wants to be a millionaire. I believe somewhere already that you win more with 50 spins than you would have won with 8 if you had accepted the free spins directly. But these are all just theories.

This is certainly true but not an exception in my opinion.
Rather it will behave like this as an example:

8 Spins x20
10Spinsx 35
12Spinsx 40
14Spins x140
16Spins x170
18 Spinsx 170
20 - you drop back to 10 so win x20.

That is, even here is already determined before how many free spins you can gamble at all and then it is determined how much you win with how many spins.


So in the end, exactly the same principle as with all other slots.

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Elite

15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

17th Dec. 2018, at 11:54 pm CET#26
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Anyway, I think that already at the beginning is determined on how many spins you can gamble at all. I had in play money mode once the 50 spins and there came constantly the 50:50 variant and always it was right. Other times the phone joker came up with 89% and it was still wrong. So no matter what you click

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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

18th Dec. 2018, at 12:06 am CET#27
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Knochen wrote on 17.12.2018 at 23:54: Anyway, I think that already at the beginning is determined on how many spins you can gamble at all. I had in play money mode once the 50 spins and there came constantly the 50:50 variant and always it was right. Other times the phone joker came up with 89% and it was still wrong. So no matter what you click.

Yes, I wrote the same above. Will definitely be so. Also the gamblen is only there to make it a little more exciting.


What win came out of 50 spins?

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Elite

15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

18th Dec. 2018, at 12:13 am CET#28
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That was in play money mode on an absurdly high bet. I don't remember the exact win, but it was so much that it was really too unrealistic to be any fun. In the end I was somewhere between 30-40x and in any case the win was five figures

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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

18th Dec. 2018, at 12:19 am CET#29
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Knochen wrote on 18/12/2018 at 00:13: This was in play money mode on an absurdly high stake. I don't remember the exact win, was definitely so much that it was already getting really too unrealistic to be any kind of fun. In the end I was somewhere between 30-40x and in any case the win was five figures.

You don't know approximately how high the x factor was?
I think making it to 50 is something very rare.


Just saw a youtube video with 50 spins.
Was just a little over x350.
Not exactly a lot

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15.12.2018 - or the day when faith in chance left me...

18th Dec. 2018, at 12:23 am CET#30
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Random wrote on 12/18/2018 at 00:19 AM
You don't know approximately what the x factor was though?
I think making it to 50 is something very rare.

No I don't even remember the final total either. Maybe it was 15,000 win, maybe 25,000, probably not much more. The stake was the maximum stake so 20€

The x factor is probably somewhere between 500 and 1000. Were also not the awesome pictures, but the sum makes it there of course

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