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Online Casinos in general: 15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over? (Page 6)

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Katharina2
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15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 05:49 pm CEST#51
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Ups...@degro that one can convey also normally (friendly).
Do you have a link to your statement ?

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Anonym

15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 05:55 pm CEST#52
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ChillEffect wrote on 28.09.2020 at 17:34: Can you play now from 15.10 then still in malta casinos or not?

Don't get confused, even if their statement is correct you will still be able to play in the "Malta" casinos from 15.10. on
The ominous "gambling contract" is so far only a draft, is still in Brussels for review and only then, the countries will vote again and decide
Until then, everyone is talking about this ominous "transition phase", which exists on paper, but should not bring any restrictions for us players for now
The responsible authority, which is supposed to have its seat in Halle later on, exists only on paper so far and is, if at all, just in the planning stage
So as long as no contract has been signed, no law has been passed and the authority that is supposed to control and monitor all this does not even exist, there can hardly be any changes or restrictions

Until all this is so far that we players get to feel the restrictions, will still pull quite a while in the country

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Falko
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15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 06:10 pm CEST#53
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Matthlign wrote on 28.09.2020 at 17:55
Don't get confused, even if the statement of the two is correct you will from 15.10. ersteinmal continue to play normally in the "Malta" Casino's can
The ominous "gambling contract" is so far only a draft, is still in Brussels for review and only then, the countries will vote again and decide
Until then, everyone is talking about this ominous "transitional phase", which exists on paper, but should not bring any restrictions for us players for now
The responsible authority, which is supposed to have its seat in Halle later on, exists only on paper so far and is, if at all, just in the planning stage
So as long as no contract has been signed, no law has been passed and the authority that is supposed to control and monitor all this does not even exist, there can hardly be any changes or restrictions

Until all this is so far that we players get to feel the restrictions, will still pull quite a while in the country.

Exactly planned is the authority that should then control everything in my state and Halle is not so far away from me. Is certainly a really cozy job, if you would work there.

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Anonym

15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 06:15 pm CEST#54
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Falko wrote on 28.09.2020 at 18:10
Exactly planned is the authority that should then control everything in my state and Halle is not so far away from me. Is certainly a really cozy job, if you would work there.

Remains the question from when there will be job postings - so far the whole issue is not much more than a "draft", it is not yet a signed contract, nothing that can be presented and passed as a law. So until a law is passed in the end, it could well be even more time than planned, in the summer of 2021. Means, don't quit prematurely. 😂 Maybe I apply with you, cozy job sounds good. Then I can always on the WE to the HFC, watch soccer. Good plan. 😂

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TheDiablen
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15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 07:10 pm CEST#55
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Matthlign wrote on 09/28/2020 at 6:15 pm
Remains the question from when there will be job postings - so far the whole issue is not much more than a "draft", it is not yet a signed contract, nothing that can be presented and passed as a law. So until a law is passed in the end, it could well be even more time than planned, in the summer of 2021. Means, don't quit prematurely. 😂 Maybe I apply with you, cozy job sounds good. Then I can always on the WE to the HFC, watch soccer. Good plan. 😂

To be honest I do not think it will come to such a law, desshalb rather smear it off😂

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TheDiablen
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15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 07:12 pm CEST#56
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Matthlign wrote on 28.09.2020 at 17:55
Don't get confused, even if the statement of the two is correct you will from 15.10. ersteinmal continue to play normally in the "Malta" Casino's can
The ominous "gambling contract" is so far only a draft, is still in Brussels for review and only then, the countries will vote again and decide
Until then, everyone is talking about this ominous "transitional phase", which exists on paper, but should not bring any restrictions for us players for now
The responsible authority, which is supposed to have its seat in Halle later on, exists only on paper so far and is, if at all, just in the planning stage
So as long as no contract has been signed, no law has been passed and the authority that is supposed to control and supervise all this does not even exist, there can hardly be any changes or restrictions

Until all this is so far that we players get to feel the restrictions, will still pull quite a while in the country. W

How long do you think it could all take until it really happens (which I don't think) 2022 or 2023?

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Anonym

15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 07:54 pm CEST#57
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TheDiablen wrote on 09/28/2020 at 7:12 pm
How long do you think this could all take to actually happen (which I don't think it will) 2022 or 2023?

Honestly, I have no idea. If I were to give a date now, it would be totally unqualified and nothing more than guessing into the blue and making baseless assumptions. However, we all know that bureaucracy is a mill that often turns very slowly and when I consider that the draft is just once at the EU, the contract may then have to be revised again, the countries must then finally agree on this contract, a new authority must be brought to life and set up reasonably, licenses must be issued and control systems must be installed, I'm not sure whether summer 2021 will really be the deadline. Maybe I'm completely wrong and it's all happening at lightning speed, my gut feeling is merely based on the logic that there are still many bureaucratic hurdles to be cleared and that everything is currently running a little differently than last year anyway

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d****o

15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

28th Sep. 2020, at 11:58 pm CEST#58
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Katharina2 wrote on 28.09.2020 at 17:49: Oops...@degro that you can also convey normal (friendly).
Do you have a link to your statement ?

Here please as requested a friendly contribution:

If only once someone had taken the trouble to read through the ECJ judgment properly, or if the article writer here
would not write about rituals and gambling, but would have made an understandable
Summary of the judgment would have made, all would be enlightened. So only dangerous half-knowledge is passed on!

So, here you go:

Norm

12010E049 TFEU Art49

12010E056 TFEU Art56

B-VG Art 7

GSpG §2

GSpG §3

GSpG §4

GSpG §52 Abs1

GSpG §52 Abs2

Legal sentence

According to the case law of the ECJ, restrictions on opportunities to gamble under aspects of Player protection are measures that can justify interventions in particular in the freedom of establishment and the freedom to provide services. The establishment of a licensing or Concession system in conjunction with the establishment of a monopoly or oligopoly is therefore an appropriate means of ensuring player protection. The system of gambling laws governing the granting of such licenses is coordinated with one another and takes into account the special requirements of the relevant gambling sectors. The same applies to those regulations that define the regulatory framework for permitted gaming, including gaming supervision. There are no discernible deficits in the enforcement of these standards. The regulatory framework is therefore coherent and systematic.

The first sentence says it all!
I don't know who started this bullshit about freedom of services, and thus gray area or even
even legality of gambling to spread! Even the ECJ is on the side of Germany!
Thus one is zero secured, if a casino does not pay out, and has no chance.
Also the win can be confiscated accordingly.
That the state does not punish this, is due to the millions of criminal charges, which are simply not manageable.
The fear of the ECJ is definitely not, even if some would like to have it that way, or represent.







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Katharina2
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15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

29th Sep. 2020, at 08:11 am CEST#59
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@degro
Thanks first of all for your effort of contribution. So we can clarify the matter
better clear it up.

I don't spread half-knowledge and just call things as they are and function
them either.

What you call here is a legal decision of the 'Landesverwaltungsgericht Wien' from
27.04.2016, case number: VGW-002/059/7266/2015 and concerns Austria, not
Germany.

I know that one and I know that too, only every case is different and for Germany
at present the Brussels decision is waited, whether the EuGH still effectively
is another question. At least one cannot equate the above-mentioned legal decision at present
with Germany, as there is no case law of the ECJ. That the
possibility exists that the same decision will be made for Germany also remains to be seen.
We must also see that Player protection in Austria is a real protection
is and D only with money and 1000 €, with proof of income to 30 000 €, in the
race.

From therefore I remain with my statements that D not with EU laws among other things with
of freedom of service and freedom of establishment. That is not the only thing.
Why this is so, about it the legal commentary to the futuregives information
GlüStV 2021 the lawyer Dr. Nik Sarafi. Do not know whether may be linked, but under
ISA Guide...... ISA LAW....The new State Treaty on Gambling - Quo vadis ? get
interested insight into legal security, which is otherwise gladly concealed.
Copy-degro:
I don't know who started this bullshit with the service-
freedom, and thus gray zone or even legality of gambling to spread! Even
the ECJ is on the side of Germany!
Thus one is zero protected if a casino does not pay out, and has no chance.
Also the win can be confiscated accordingly.
That the state does not punish that, is because of the millionfold criminal charges, which are simply
not to be mastered.
The fear of the ECJ is it definitely not, even if that some would like to have in such a way
would like to have, or represent.

 Germany has joined the EU. We are all Europeans. Casinos have European
 license. EU law takes precedence over national law. Germany must align its GlüStV with EU law
according to EU law. This has not been the case so far. Whether everything is OK with the future GlüStV 2021,
the EU must decide, or else the ECJ will decide, as in the example of Vienna
Germany is in this gray area, not the player as a European, the fol-
correctly on a Casino. com - side goes. They know that and keep quiet. And that the
State does not punish is because they themselves violate EU laws and have no chance of success
on success have. The improvement is now with the GlüStV 2021 in Brussels before and
must simply be waited for

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Anonym

15.10.2020 - Casino Deadline Day? All over?

29th Sep. 2020, at 08:17 am CEST#60
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Catherine2 wrote on 09/29/2020 at 08:11
@degro
Thank you first of all for your effort of contribution. So we can clarify the matter
better clear it up.

I don't spread half-knowledge and just call things as they are and function
them either.

What you call here is a legal decision of the 'Landesverwaltungsgericht Wien' from
27.04.2016, case number: VGW-002/059/7266/2015 and concerns Austria, not
Germany.

I know that one and I know that too, only every case is different and for Germany
at present the Brussels decision is waited, whether the EuGH still effectively
is another question. At least one cannot equate the above-mentioned legal decision at present
with Germany, as there is no case law of the ECJ. That the
possibility exists that the same decision will be made for Germany also remains to be seen.
We must also see that Player protection in Austria is a real protection
is and D only with money and 1000 €, with proof of income to 30 000 €, in the
race.

From therefore I remain with my statements that D not with EU laws among other things with
of freedom of service and freedom of establishment. That is not the only thing.
Why this is so, about it the legal commentary to the futuregives information
GlüStV 2021 the lawyer Dr. Nik Sarafi. Do not know whether may be linked, but under
ISA Guide...... ISA LAW....The new State Treaty on Gambling - Quo vadis ? get
interested insight into legal security, which is otherwise gladly concealed.
Copy-degro:
I don't know who started this bullshit with the service-
freedom, and thus gray zone or even legality of gambling to spread! Even
the ECJ is on the side of Germany!
Thus one is zero protected if a casino does not pay out, and has no chance.
Also the win can be confiscated accordingly.
That the state does not punish this, is because of the millionfold criminal charges, which are simply
not to be mastered.
The fear of the ECJ is it definitely not, even if that some would like to have in such a way
would like to have, or represent.

 Germany has joined the EU. We are all Europeans. Casinos have European
 license. EU law takes precedence over national law. Germany must align its GlüStV with EU law
according to EU law. So far, this has not been the case. Whether everything is OK with the future GlüStV 2021,
the EU must decide, or else the ECJ will decide, as in the example of Vienna
Germany is in this gray area, not the player as a European, the fol-
correctly on a Casino. com - side goes. They know that and keep quiet. And that the
State does not punish is because they themselves violate EU laws and have no chance of success
on success have. The improvement is now with the GlüStV 2021 in Brussels before and
must simply be waited for

Super, many thanks for the explanation
I also noticed that with the ruling

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