Deposit and withdrawal methods: Volksbank account cancellation (Page 4)

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taktaktak wrote on 04/22/2019 21:42: National legislation / EU legislation is for the time being irrelevant when blocking / terminating bank accounts. First of all, a bank is allowed to terminate an account due to freedom of contract

In the case of savings banks, this may only happen if the termination is for an appropriate reason
This would be the case if the account is used for illegal activities. A suspicion according to §285 StGB or §261 StGB would therefore be completely sufficient for a termination.

The question regarding EU law taking precedence over national legislation does not really arise, since in this case one would probably have to take legal action all the way to the ECJ, and someone who only loses his account is unlikely to want to bear these costs.

Apart from that, it is not that simple. According to EU law, there is freedom to provide services, but this may be restricted at the national level when it comes to gambling, provided that the state ensures sufficient protection against gambling, etc....
The fact that it is not really a matter of protection against gambling, but rather of the state monopoly on gambling, does not play a role in this context for the time being. At most, this would be relevant in a lawsuit before the ECJ.

For the above reasons, I would neither make deposits nor withdrawals to a German bank account.

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Nadja32 wrote on 04/23/2019 11:18 AM
the primal problem
must be solved by those in power.

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taktaktak wrote on 04/23/2019 at 2:08 pm
Makes me wonder why they would do that.

The current situation is not really bad for the federal government. Since players from Germany can still register at most casinos, there is still tax revenue. At the same time, there is uncertainty among many players regarding account terminations, is one allowed to keep the win, etc....

In this situation, the state Provider (e.g. Lotto) can point out that these problems naturally do not occur with them and that one should play with the legal provider.

If there should be actually times federal licenses for on-line Casinos, then one does not need to play there in my opinion any longer
It is often criticized that Lottohelden/Lottoland etc.. in contrast to the state lottery do not pay any taxes (this does not mean taxes, but taxes for sports clubs etc...).
One can assume that with a country wide legalization appropriate levies are likewise considered. That the RTP is then very poor should be understandable.

Maybe it comes also differently, but I consider such a scenario not at all so improbable, finally the German state raised with sport bets also 5% and made thereby sport bets for German players absolutely unattractive
The Bank advantage at the bookmakers is already high enough and then 5% extra.

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Skitch22 wrote on 04/23/2019 8:58 PM
Bullshit the 5% didn't make sports betting unattractive.

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Nadja32 wrote on 23.04.2019 at 11:18 am
Well, so absolutely one does not leave that in Germany, would it go after your representation.

The 261 stands for money laundering and is OK, §285 raises the question of permitted and unpermitted;
thus the regulated and unregulated market. The regulated market with only German licenses
and the unregulated market with, among others, Online Casinos with EU licenses that are tolerated and not
not prosecuted.

Hot or gray zone...... .no matter, behind it is EU law what goes before national law and before one
Players over banks attacks, D should first attack the providers. They will do that with a
industry with a turnover of around 40 billion and a strong lobby, and parties will also
also profit from it.

Meanwhile, almost all German casinos with German and EU license, I myself have there
transferred and on VB account let...everything no problem, only if people thousands
Euros, ideally still over 10000 €, one must not be surprised about termination.

But this does not exclude that banks still terminate out of different readings
or because clear regulations are missing. I have read here that some people have had problems with banks
banks; I would choose Neteller as MoneyTransfer. But I am still held back by the
inactive account fees. At the end of the day, banks can always terminate, that's right, the original problem
must be solved by the government. It can not be that German casinos with EU license and player
go through like butter and other players have their accounts terminated at the same time. Irre...... i-wie... >:O

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Ichbins2018 wrote on 23.04.2019 at 22:38
Since you know yourself contrary to my assumption very well with law and law, perhaps there is also a plausible explanation from you why, for example, PayPal (and other payment providers) have withdrawn from the German online gambling market?
(And that although they could earn themselves silly from us players)

Why doesn't Paypal, for example, sue gamblers who charge back gambled money and instead issue Debt waivers?
And just by the way, there are currently many chargebackers, as well as lawyers/law firms who take on the players.
Why do so many lawyers, for example, help players who have gone bankrupt, because they have nothing to do, want to sit on their costs - or maybe because they know more than you do, especially what is right and law in Germany?

Or why do e.g. banks terminate online gamblers' accounts, even though they don't really give a shit what you do with your money?
Everyone can do with his money what he wants, explain to me why so many online gamblers want to hide their gambling from the banks , Online Casinos is all EU compliant!
And also just by the way...I have also always gambled away my money, and although my bank knew that I was a (offline) gambler, I (and many offline players known to me) the bank has never terminated the account...I do not understand, why do they terminate because online players?

Good night

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Nadja32 wrote on 22.04.2019 at 19:58
If' it suits you better: then just hold 'Banker' and yes there are the *Best Casinos in Germany 2019*.
All have the German and EU license. At my favorite game even says: *They surf under the flag
of Malta*/sensibly. Rather, I consider the German laws on this illegal, as long as they do not respect EU law.
The rule is: EU law before country law. Still and every government should stick to that.

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