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Taybone

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13th Oct. 2020, at 03:22 pm CEST#21

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unicorn wrote on 13.10.2020 at 15:08
Casinos were and are currently still illegal, but sports betting had a special position, and was never affected. As can be read in the gambling treaty of NRW!

In derogation of Section 4 (4) of the State Treaty on Gaming, the self-distribution and brokerage of lotteries as well as the organization and brokerage of sports betting on the Internet may be permitted in order to better achieve the objectives of Section 1 of the State Treaty on Gaming, if compliance with the requirements set out in Section 4 (1) and (5) of the State Treaty on Gaming is ensured.

Tipico and Co. have regularly fulfilled these prerequisites and were therefore, with regard to sports betting! regularly legal. The gambling treaties also differ from state to state a little, so you probably had the assumption that the betting providers do not adhere to the specifications, because no 1000 € Deposit limit was established. The 1000€ limit was but only in the state contract of Bavaria deposited, in all other Bunderländer was no limit regulated. (SH- had there again completely own rules) Also the strict demarcation zischen sport and Casino was required only in Bavaria. I was never affected by these regulations as a citizen of NRW.

But now a state-wide uniform gambling treaty is to be introduced, which contains this 1000€ limit, etc. in all federal states. Currently, it is only guidelines that are to be implemented from 15.10. But the final law will not be passed until next summer.

I was not talking about the casino offer, but about sports betting.
Have you read through the requirements? Several times I have prescribed you the numbers. 1000 euros maximum per month and linking to the casino did not exist before, so the sports betting offer was also illegal.

Only now through the new measures, the sports betting offer has become legal because it meets the requirements.

Of course, the verdicts refer to the casino. But the providers argued with the same scheme. a La "I do not need to meet your requirements also in the sports betting area because of license from Malta.

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13th Oct. 2020, at 03:32 pm CEST#22

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Taybone wrote on 13.10.2020 at 15:22
I was not talking about the casino offer but about the sports betting.
Have you read through the prerequisites. Several times I have prescribed you the numbers. 1000 euros maximum per month and linking to the casino did not exist before, so the sports betting offer was also illegal.

Only now through the new measures, the sports betting offer has become legal because it meets the requirements.

Of course, the verdicts refer to the casino. But the providers argued with the same scheme. a La "I do not need to meet your requirements also in the sports betting area because of license from Malta

apparently you do not want to understand. These requirements that you enumerate, with 1000 euros per month and linking to the casino are only requirements of the Glückspielstaatsvertrags of Bavaria!!! from 2019. And yes the is already longer valid. I do not live in Bavaria and can not judge it, but there the mentioned requirements are implemented with certainty then also already since 2019. I understand your problem though. You google Glücksspielstaatsvertrag and then go to the first hit, which is however the Glücksspielstaatsvertrag of Bavaria !!!!!! But you can't apply these requirements to all other federal states. This is because each federal state has its own state treaty with different requirements.

For comparison, Google the gambling treaty of NRW and you will notice that the wording is similar, but nowhere in the requirements is anything taken up by the 1000 euro Deposit limit or the link in casino!

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13th Oct. 2020, at 03:58 pm CEST#23

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No, it is not only the gambling treaty of Bavaria but the gambling treaty of the whole of Germany, but there are state-specific implementation laws

To be read here: https://www.vdai.de/glstv.htm

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13th Oct. 2020, at 04:12 pm CEST#24

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Taybone wrote on 10/13/2020 at 3:58 pm: No it is not only the gambling treaty of Bavaria but the gambling treaty of all Germany, but there are state specific implementation laws

To read here: https://www.vdai.de/glstv.htm

Does not make the roast fat, as you can see gambling laws are a matter for the states. That is why Schleswig-Holstein can go it alone at all. The fact is that the 1000 euro limit etc. has not been a requirement in NRW to date, at least; the sports betting providers have not violated any requirements here and have never been illegal

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13th Oct. 2020, at 04:34 pm CEST#25

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i do not want to go into too much detail now, but :
The sports betting providers were formally illegal but tolerated because 1. no license existed and 2. the requirements were not met.

Tolerated because of European law, because precedence but recently BVerwg negation in matters of gambling.

Nice article on this:

on this: https://www.anwalt-suchservice.de/rechtstipps/bundesverwaltungsgericht_online-sportwetten_nicht_legal_26275.html

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13th Oct. 2020, at 04:52 pm CEST#26

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Taybone wrote on 13.10.2020 at 16:34: I do not want to go into too much detail but :
The sports betting operators had been formally illegal but tolerated because 1. there was no Concession and 2. the requirements had not been met.

Tolerated because of European law, because precedence but recently BVerwg negation in matters of gambling.

Nice article on this:

on this: https://www.anwalt-suchservice.de/rechtstipps/bundesverwaltungsgericht_online-sportwetten_nicht_legal_26275.html

Report is from April 2019. Since change of the implementation law in December 2019, but definitely legal, since then a concession of an EU country is sufficient to offer sports betting in Germany. Exactly here, the Federal Administrative Court has namely made a demarcation. Despite an EU license, providers were prohibited from offering casino games in Germany. Sports betting was explicitly not affected by this, and was approved if an EU license was available

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13th Oct. 2020, at 04:55 pm CEST#27

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unicorn wrote on 13.10.2020 at 16:52
Report is from April 2019. since change of the execution law in December 2019, but definitely legal, because since then a Concession of an EU country is sufficient to offer sports betting in Germany. Exactly here, the Federal Administrative Court has namely made a demarcation. Despite an EU license, providers were prohibited from offering casino games in Germany. Sports betting was explicitly not affected by this, and was approved if an EU license was available.

Report is from March 2020 and the author is the lawyer Lenne, specialist lawyer for gambling law

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30th May. 2022, at 01:22 pm CEST#28

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Hello how did the whole thing turn out here?

Have also used extra Neteller as a means of payment and transferred from there to my bank account

Now the bank has demanded the payment vouchers that I have sent and now there is a new claim about the origin of funds

Can I now simply filter Neteller for deposits and send this overview to the bank?
What can realistically happen?

Thanks for your answers

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30th May. 2022, at 06:00 pm CEST#29

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Seb0402 wrote on 30.05.2022 at 13:22: Hello how did the whole thing turn out here?

Have also used extra Neteller as a means of payment and transferred from there to my bank account

Now the bank has demanded the payment vouchers that I have sent and now there is a new claim about the origin of funds

Can I now simply filter Neteller for deposits and send this overview to the bank?
What can realistically happen?

Thanks for your answers

Hi Seb
They want proof of the origin of your Neteller money ( so probably wins from sports betting and casino .)
Realistically, if they see these transactions ( casinos without a German license ), they will terminate your account .
I would in your place just make a written statement that it is winnings from sports betting ( of course only companies licensed in Germany ) and refuse to send any documents there . The bank is a private company and not a public authority. You are not obliged to send any documents there.

Have you deposited with your bank account often at Neteller?
How much money have you transferred from Neteller to the bank account lately?

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30th May. 2022, at 07:48 pm CEST#30

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Krabbenburger wrote on 30.05.2022 at 18:00
Hi Seb
They want proof of the origin of your Neteller money ( so probably wins from sports betting and casino .)
Realistically it would be when they see these transactions ( casinos without German license ) that they cancel your account .
I would in your place just make a written statement that it is winnings from sports betting ( of course only companies licensed in Germany ) and refuse to send any documents there . The bank is a private company and not a public authority. You are not obliged to send any documents there.

Have you deposited with your bank account often at Neteller?
How much money have you transferred recently from Neteller to the bank account?

Of course, the bank does not care in principle what you do with your money. But you think a little too short

The bank is one of the instruments against black money.

So what does the bank do when 90% say it was legal betting? The bank is not sure if the
Statement is true
So it does not let itself to the cart pis...... , and forwards the whole to the tax authorities. Thus the bank is fine out,
and has no consequences to fear. Especially not before BaFin.

The gambler now has a big problem, because the financial authorities are investigating. In this case, my guess is illegal gambling
Gambling in combination with tax evasion. And now?
That can not take much longer, until the first ones are standing here, and have been reported! At the latest when the
Licenses are awarded, and the gaming authority is properly staffed

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