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13th Oct. 2020, at 01:13 pm CEST#11
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Taybone wrote on 10/13/2020 at 11:50 AM
Autonymous if you are going to quote then please go all the way to the end.
Except for oddset, however, no sportsbook is authorized or has received clearance. Will probably change in the future. But banned at the moment !
Because no sports betting Provider is able to meet these conditions.
Because of these regulations:
(5) Notwithstanding paragraph 4, the Länder may, in order to better achieve the objectives of § 1, permit the self-distribution and brokerage of lotteries as well as the organization and brokerage of sports betting on the Internet if there are no grounds for refusal pursuant to § 4 (2) and the following conditions are met:
1.
The exclusion of underage or banned players is guaranteed by identification and authentication.
2.
In principle, the maximum stake per player may not exceed a amount of 1,000 euros per month . A different amount may be set in the permit in order to achieve the objectives of § 1. Wins may not be offset against stakes placed by players. The observance of the credit prohibition is ensured. Upon registration, players shall be invited to set an individual daily, weekly or monthly Deposit or loss limit (self-limitation). In addition, players shall be given the opportunity to redefine daily, weekly or monthly deposit and loss limits at any time. If a player wishes to increase the deposit or loss limit, the increase shall become effective only after a seven-day protection period. If deposit or loss limits are reduced, the new limits for new game stakes will take effect immediately.
3.
Special addictive incentives due to rapid repetition are excluded.
4.
A social concept adapted to the special conditions of the Internet in accordance with § 6 shall be developed and implemented; its effectiveness shall be evaluated scientifically.
5.
Betting and lotteries shall not be offered via the same Internet domain, nor shall any reference or link be made to other games of chance
For Schleswig Holstein apply vllt different regulations however with the other Lands of the Federal Republic forbidden!
How do you recognize now that it is forbidden? it is clearly legal if the requirements are met, it says so. And these requirements are met by the market-leading betting providers without restrictions
Tipico:
No Deposit limit of 1000 euros per month.
In addition casino on offer
Bet365:
No deposit limit of 1000 euros per month
Wilhelmhill:
No deposit limit, also casino on offer
Betfair:
Moreover, the same.
That's what I call the long-established sports betting providers now.
Oddset= legal
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13th Oct. 2020, at 01:33 pm CEST#13
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Taybone wrote on 10/13/2020 at 1:21 pm: Which one please? :
Tipico:
No Deposit limit of 1000 euros per month.
In addition, casino on offer
Bet365:
No deposit limit of 1000 euros per month
Wilhelmhill:
No deposit limit, also casino on offer
Betfair:
Moreover, the same.
That's what I call the long-established sports betting providers now.
Oddset= legal
These requirements are met when the State Treaty on Gambling provides for it. We are talking about the current time. Currently, the sports betting offer is legal without any restrictions. Tipico is e.g. premium partner of the Bundesliga and sponsor of FC Bayern, do you really think they work with an illegal sports betting Provider or what? funny that no one has Oddset on the jerseys...
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13th Oct. 2020, at 01:40 pm CEST#14
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Catherine2 wrote on 13.10.2020 at 07:47
Correct and not only that, also para.5 also para 1, 2 sentence:
Copy: If an organizer or intermediary of public Games of chance offers, in addition to
unauthorized gambling, also offers other services in such a way that it is not possible for the
Payment transactions does not allow the payment transactions completely distinguishable and separate from the offers, the participation in payment transactions is also prohibited for the other services.
If 'sports betting', it should indeed be.
at tipico and many other providers, you have long had to specify whether you want to Deposit the money in the casino area or sports betting area. The separation principle has been strictly adhered to here for a long time. The betting providers, where this is not yet the case, will of course follow suit as soon as the GlüStV is enacted.
unicorn wrote on 13.10.2020 at 13:40
at tipico and many other providers you have to specify for a long time whether you want to Deposit the money in the casino area or sports betting area. The separation principle has been strictly adhered to here for a long time. The betting providers, where this is not yet the case, will of course follow suit as soon as the GlüStV is enacted.
The link alone is enough to make the offer illegal. see § 4 Abs. 4 S. 2 nr.5 Glüstv. Now you can ask yourself why I was not sued, because no one itches. Except one wants to make claims for restitution. In addition, the 1000 € Euro deposit limit
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13th Oct. 2020, at 02:23 pm CEST#16
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Taybone wrote on 13.10.2020 at 14:13
Alone the linking is enough to make the offer illegal. see § 4 Abs. 4 S. 2 nr.5 Glüstv. Now you can ask yourself why I was not sued, because no one itches. Except one wants to make claims for restitution. In addition the 1000 € euro Deposit limit
You raffst it probably not, that refers to the new gambling treaty is not yet valid, but anyway still in limbo
It is recommended to implement the requirements already from 15.10, and Tipico is already doing that. If you go to the site, you will no longer see a link to the casino. Likewise, the 1000€ deposit limit already exists.
unicorn wrote on 13.10.2020 at 14:23
You probably don't get it, this refers to the new gambling treaty which is not yet valid, but anyway still in limbo
It is recommended to implement the requirements already from 15.10, and Tipico is already doing that. If you go to the site, you will no longer see a link to the casino. Likewise, the 1000€ Deposit limit already exists.
I was just on the main page a link to "Casino" or is it probably now called Games I still see
And the State Treaty on Gambling in Germany exists for a long time. Every year or every few years a little thing is changed. § 4 abs.4 exists but definitely already a few years.
Maybe this will change in the coming days, weeks, months. But at the moment I don't see it that way.
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13th Oct. 2020, at 02:39 pm CEST#18
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Taybone wrote on 13.10.2020 at 14:32
I was just on the main page a link to "Casino and "Livecasino" I still see
And the state treaty on gambling in Germany has been around for a long time. Every year or every few years ne trifle is changed. § 4 abs.4 is there but definitely already a few years.
Maybe this will change in the coming days, weeks, months. But at the moment I don't see it that way.
i don't have a link to the casino, the word casino may not be used anymore anyway. With me it says "Games" at the top now. And if you try to Deposit more than 1000€ there, you will immediately get the message " Your deposit exceeds your limit or the regulatory 30-day limit for Tipico Games. Please reduce your deposit amount to meet these conditions."
Of course the State Gambling Treaty has been around for a long time, but the points we are talking about here are all new!! and will be gradually integrated from 15.10.
Ok then some things seem to have got going. But what I definitely know is that it was illegal before except for Schleswig Holstein due to § 4 abs. 4 and this law existed for a long time. This is not new now.
Only the sports betting providers have not steered against it, where no plaintiff crows no cock. Within a year there were but increased judgments of the OVG and BGH to it.
The providers have argued that the license from. Malta justifies the legality in Germany and everything else is contrary to the un ion. But the BGH has denied this. That's why it all got underway.
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13th Oct. 2020, at 03:08 pm CEST#20
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Taybone wrote on 13.10.2020 at 14:53: Ok then some things seem to be in motion. But what I definitely know is that it was illegal before except for Schleswig Holstein due to § 4 abs. 4 and this law existed for a long time. This is not new now.
Only the sports betting providers have not steered against it, where no plaintiff crows no cock. Within a year there were but increased judgments of the OVG and BGH to it.
The providers have argued that the license from. Malta justifies the legality in Germany and everything else is contrary to the un ion. But the BGH has denied this. That's why it all got underway.
Casinos were and are currently still illegal, but sports betting had a special position, and was never affected by it. As can be read in the State Gambling Treaty of NRW!
In derogation of Section 4 (4) of the State Treaty on Gaming, the self-distribution and brokerage of lotteries and the organization and brokerage of sports betting on the Internet may be permitted in order to better achieve the objectives of Section 1 of the State Treaty on Gaming, if compliance with the requirements set out in Section 4 (1) and (5) of the State Treaty on Gaming is ensured.
Tipico and Co. have regularly fulfilled these prerequisites and were therefore, with regard to sports betting! regularly legal. The gambling treaties also differ from state to state a little, so you probably had the assumption that the betting providers do not adhere to the specifications, because no 1000 € Deposit limit was established. The 1000€ limit was but only in the state contract of Bavaria deposited, in all other Bunderländer was no limit regulated. (SH- had there again completely own rules) Also the strict demarcation zischen sport and Casino was required only in Bavaria. I was never affected by these regulations as a citizen of NRW.
But now a state-wide uniform gambling treaty is to be introduced, which contains this 1000€ limit, etc. in all federal states. Currently, it is only guidelines that are to be implemented from 15.10. But the final law will not be passed until next summer.
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How do you recognize now that it is forbidden? it is clearly legal if the requirements are met, it says so. And these requirements are met by the market-leading betting providers without restrictions
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Tipico:
No Deposit limit of 1000 euros per month.
In addition casino on offer
Bet365:
No deposit limit of 1000 euros per month
Wilhelmhill:
No deposit limit, also casino on offer
Betfair:
Moreover, the same.
That's what I call the long-established sports betting providers now.
Oddset= legal
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These requirements are met when the State Treaty on Gambling provides for it. We are talking about the current time. Currently, the sports betting offer is legal without any restrictions. Tipico is e.g. premium partner of the Bundesliga and sponsor of FC Bayern, do you really think they work with an illegal sports betting Provider or what? funny that no one has Oddset on the jerseys...
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at tipico and many other providers, you have long had to specify whether you want to Deposit the money in the casino area or sports betting area. The separation principle has been strictly adhered to here for a long time. The betting providers, where this is not yet the case, will of course follow suit as soon as the GlüStV is enacted.
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The link alone is enough to make the offer illegal. see § 4 Abs. 4 S. 2 nr.5 Glüstv. Now you can ask yourself why I was not sued, because no one itches. Except one wants to make claims for restitution. In addition, the 1000 € Euro deposit limit
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You raffst it probably not, that refers to the new gambling treaty is not yet valid, but anyway still in limbo
It is recommended to implement the requirements already from 15.10, and Tipico is already doing that. If you go to the site, you will no longer see a link to the casino. Likewise, the 1000€ deposit limit already exists.
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I was just on the main page a link to "Casino" or is it probably now called Games I still see
And the State Treaty on Gambling in Germany exists for a long time. Every year or every few years a little thing is changed. § 4 abs.4 exists but definitely already a few years.
Maybe this will change in the coming days, weeks, months. But at the moment I don't see it that way.
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i don't have a link to the casino, the word casino may not be used anymore anyway. With me it says "Games" at the top now. And if you try to Deposit more than 1000€ there, you will immediately get the message " Your deposit exceeds your limit or the regulatory 30-day limit for Tipico Games. Please reduce your deposit amount to meet these conditions."
Of course the State Gambling Treaty has been around for a long time, but the points we are talking about here are all new!! and will be gradually integrated from 15.10.
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Only the sports betting providers have not steered against it, where no plaintiff crows no cock. Within a year there were but increased judgments of the OVG and BGH to it.
The providers have argued that the license from. Malta justifies the legality in Germany and everything else is contrary to the un ion. But the BGH has denied this. That's why it all got underway.
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Casinos were and are currently still illegal, but sports betting had a special position, and was never affected by it. As can be read in the State Gambling Treaty of NRW!
In derogation of Section 4 (4) of the State Treaty on Gaming, the self-distribution and brokerage of lotteries and the organization and brokerage of sports betting on the Internet may be permitted in order to better achieve the objectives of Section 1 of the State Treaty on Gaming, if compliance with the requirements set out in Section 4 (1) and (5) of the State Treaty on Gaming is ensured.
Tipico and Co. have regularly fulfilled these prerequisites and were therefore, with regard to sports betting! regularly legal. The gambling treaties also differ from state to state a little, so you probably had the assumption that the betting providers do not adhere to the specifications, because no 1000 € Deposit limit was established. The 1000€ limit was but only in the state contract of Bavaria deposited, in all other Bunderländer was no limit regulated. (SH- had there again completely own rules) Also the strict demarcation zischen sport and Casino was required only in Bavaria. I was never affected by these regulations as a citizen of NRW.
But now a state-wide uniform gambling treaty is to be introduced, which contains this 1000€ limit, etc. in all federal states. Currently, it is only guidelines that are to be implemented from 15.10. But the final law will not be passed until next summer.
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