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Well, it is not completely irrelevant when the authority will actually be ready for operation
The excerpt that you yourself have attached here basically says exactly what I wrote
It will only go forward step by step and little by little - the whole thing has to start first
The real competencies will be transferred to them only gradually
Accordingly, I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the lights will not go out in the unregulated casinos on July 1st
As always, there will be a transition period, in this case apparently a year, until the authority is truly operational
Regarding the possibility to play via VPN, I have written that it must require that the casino's allow this
As some already do
Can the whole thing work, yes, look at some of our European neighboring countries - there are also laws that prohibit / regulate gambling and also IP locks - yet they can play there in some casino's without problems
I'm not saying it's legal - sure, using VPN is legal, but using it to play in casinos without a German license is automatically illegal
On the subject of tax evasion, you're absolutely right, it is often punished more severely in the FRG than many other offenses
But there again I have to refer to our neighboring countries - of course, not the same legislation and other official procedures but let's wait and see how it will really develop in the end
You write, people like me will still open their eyes
Wait and see
Perhaps it is also the other way around
Personally, I remain convinced that the lights will not go out on July 01 and I strongly doubt that anything will prevent me from using unregulated casinos
Not before 2022, there will certainly be the transition phase (as I said, you mentioned it yourself) and even then it is written in the stars how the whole thing will develop
Especially with regard to crypto casinos, Germany still needs an eternity until they would no longer be an option
There are initial laws / guidelines in relation to cryptocurrencies but the status quo is currently that Germany has no insight
Broken down quickly, the status quo looks something like this: If one holds crypto assets for less than one year, wins are subject to income tax and must be declared accordingly. Authorities, however, have to trust that people actually do that. They can hardly check it.
So for me it remains, nor do the lights go out for me, and as I said, the gambling lobby has been dancing around on the state's nose for decades.
Wait and see what will happen there after the licenses are awarded.
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My intention was only that it will not go on like this. From when this is so, would be then probably
next year July. Because as written above then also the payment traffic is restricted,
and also IP blocking would come
Means, at the latest then is finally Sense. Presumably there is a year "transition period" to look at the
Whole times to look at. How much play in German-licensed casinos, what means of payment are
widespread, can the youth and Player protection be guaranteed at all as planned, etc.
However, it will scare other casinos if Germany brings an IP block into play.
This would mean the final end for certain casinos, and they would have to weigh carefully whether they would
take the Risk, or simply cash in for another 1 year, and then say goodbye.
We will see......
Even in neighboring European countries, you can see from various examples that you can't
as an example.
In Luxenburg, I get cheap gas, coffee, and cigarettes. Although Europe, I may bring only certain
Quantities across the border. If I get caught, I get penalized. I either have to pay taxes
or in the worst case I get a charge for tax evasion.
Therefore, it does not necessarily make sense to point the finger at other countries.
Germany will have to take action, otherwise too many players will leave.
It is a requirement of the ECJ that this be controlled, so Germany can't even do otherwise
otherwise. In addition, it is tax evasion. Not to mention banking and credit problems.
When I wanted a loan weeks ago, I spoke with an employee of a well-known comparison portal.
I asked if there could still be any general problems.
He said no, unless I had chargebacks, or I was gambling, and that would be evident on the
Account statements would show. So then the question is, is it really worth it that I get my account canceled
not getting loans, etc.? This has a not inconsiderable impact on my life.
By the way, I remember that Malta also wanted to introduce a uniform gambling ban. Is
a while ago, but the casino lobby probably had too strong an influence on the MGA. Heard has
one of it nothing more. Sure, then it's over with the uncontrolled cashing in.
So an independent control authority is extremely important. In Malta, this is not the case....
There, the MGA is a puppet of the casinos.
This makes it all the more important that a sensible solution be found.
Whether you have to introduce a 5-second rule because of this is a moot point......
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The statement that it will "someday" no longer go on, I can rather sign - in your first post it had sounded so that for you on 01.07. this year automatically all the lights would go out and that was for me absolute nonsense - so we are already in principle almost the same opinion
With the difference that I, just with the reference to other European countries, am not yet convinced that the lights will really go out completely
Of course, each country has its own laws and regulations, but what the comparison shows is at least the fact that large casinos for players from the countries (partly) have allowed VPN connections and payments are also possible past the state
Which also does not mean that I want to encourage people to commit a crime
I agree with you that if Germany should manage to implement all this, the whole thing would be strictly prosecuted and severely punished
Nevertheless, as I said, I remain curious about how they want to proceed against crypto casinos
I believe that these will remain an option even after 2022.
Maybe not forever, but currently Germany and Europe are far from having a real insight into the market and having ways and means to track and control the whole thing more strictly
Until that time, technical possibilities have to be implemented, laws have to be passed and possibly a new authority has to be created or competences have to be distributed to other authorities
I don't see all of this being feasible by mid-2022 - but that's just a guess
Especially because I am not dependent on Skrill etc. in crypto casinos - most providers have credit cards etc. on offer, crypto ATMs are coming more and more, even in Germany
However, dreams of the future
In addition, as I said, perhaps the lobby still manages to circumvent some points of the law
Personally, I would not need an independent control authority - I have been playing in casinos with MGA licenses for years and have never had any problems
My problem with the law, however, is not player protection either
If only certain limits had been introduced, payment transactions regulated and taxes levied, I could have lived with it
But the points, like the 5sec rule, the maximum stake, the ban on Table games etc. have nothing to do with player protection, these points were included in the contract by the politicians to protect their monopolies. Casinos. Lotto. They are deliberately trying to make the whole thing as unattractive as possible
We are sold the contract for the benefit of the player but that is only one side of the coin, the other side, to 50%, the state is only about its monopolies and money
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I took the time to read all 486 pages of this article.
If you do that as well, you will find that the restrictions on the freedom to provide services are covered by EU law, and thus also in ECJ rulings. However, they may only be restricted for certain reasons. Prevention of Gambling addiction, protection of minors, black money, etc.
This should also be logical, since the freedom to provide services is a valuable asset
That's why Germany will also strictly adhere to the rules. Whether they suit the players or not
The ECJ has left no room for maneuver, since otherwise casinos without a license could actually invoke the freedom to provide services.
All others who claim otherwise here have never really dealt with the issue, but at most read summaries from ProCasino sites, which are anything but neutral.
The ECJ has never, ever, ever stated in a ruling that the freedom to provide services in Germany takes precedence over everything else.
Here, a judgment of the ECJ regarding a betting Provider is completely mixed up!
Something will definitely change, the thumbscrews of the ECJ are tightened. Casinos without a license are just waiting for a mistake so they can sue. In order to be able to restrict the freedom of services, there must be strong supervision.
Whether it happens this year or next, I expect extremely drastic changes.
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