One essential point, for example, is the legality of the gambling offer. It may come as a surprise, but even a casino without a German license can be legal. In this case, it is important that the Provider has a gambling license from an EU country. Then the basic principle of freedom of services within the European un ion comes into play. This allows citizens to use the services of a company as long as it is authorized to do so in an EU country.
As a player, you can therefore legally play in an online casino with a gambling license from Malta. In fact, most Online Casinos are licensed by the Malta Gaming Authority. This renowned regulatory body has been active since 2001 and enjoys an excellent reputation in the online gambling community. Legality and security of casinos without a German license are thus definitely guaranteed.
I now also play at Platincasino is once again quite pleasant to play with automatic and without this 5 seconds rule. I wonder only what is then on 1 July? will then Platin Casino in Germany no longer be to play?
DerJaeger2019 wrote on 19.05.2021 at 11:58: When is an online casino legal in Germany?
For example, one essential point is the legality of the gambling offer. It may come as a surprise, but even a casino without a German license can be legal. In this case, it is important that the Provider has a gambling license from an EU country. Then the basic principle of freedom of services within the European un ion comes into play. This allows citizens to use the services of a company as long as it is authorized to do so in an EU country.
As a player, you can therefore legally play in an online casino with a gambling license from Malta. In fact, most Online Casinos are licensed by the Malta Gaming Authority. This renowned regulatory body has been active since 2001 and enjoys an excellent reputation in the online gambling community. Legality and security of casinos without a German license are thus definitely guaranteed.
And what about payment providers ? Do they now have to look at the 'heart' of the casino, ie
look at, so directly call the casino to see the legality or not ?
And do you ever have a source for this process ? Because it makes no sense, since
thereby the German state license fees are lost and these casinos vs
over the casinos licensed in DE and also Malta, are better off. They
save the license fees
Katharina2 wrote on 29.05.2021 at 09:16
And what about payment providers ? Do they now have to look at the 'heart' of the casino
look at, so directly call the casino to see the legality or not ?
And do you ever have a source for this process ? Because it makes no sense, since
thereby the German state license fees are lost and these casinos vs
over the casinos licensed in DE and also Malta, are better off. They
save the license fees.
A requirement of the judgment of the ECJ was that player and youth protection are guaranteed.
In this respect, it makes no sense to reach casinos without a German license, because otherwise Germany would be
cannot check who has paid how much, and minors can also pay in
deposit.
This would, in principle, violate the ECJ's templates, which in turn could open the door for lawsuits against
Germany. Anyone who loses could sue successfully.
From the logical way of thinking, all other casinos would have to be blocked. In what form that
happens, we will see. However, I personally do not believe that you can continue to play as before.
Germany thereby makes itself liable for damages to players who can visit other casino sites unmolested
Casino sites can visit.
To ensure player and youth protection, it is urgently necessary that everything runs through a central office
runs. Otherwise it cannot function at all!
This also has nothing to do with freedom of services
As in the case of the Basic Law, there are articles or laws that collide with others, which are more important than the other law
behind the other law. That is, freedom of services is "less important" as the
Player and youth protection! This is also the view of the ECJ, and has nothing to do with "we are not Europeans" or other
other outpourings to do.
Otherwise I could also buy weed here, because it is legal to buy in Holland, which is in Europe.
So the argument does not work.
I must confess, I am partly amused by the discussions here
On the one hand because many really consider the 01.07. as a deadline, on which nothing more will go - whereby and I have already written it several times, a mountain of bureaucracy stands against the whole
The coming law must be converted then ersteinmal, a whole authority must be stamped from the soil, innumerable things be converted
This does not happen overnight and without a legal basis, you can plan in the background, but nothing can be implemented in advance and or really get going
Furthermore, the keyword "VPN" remains - if the law is formulated correctly, there is certainly nothing standing in the way of "IP blocks"
However, these can be circumvented via the use of "VPN"
The use of VPN is not prohibited in Germany and I hardly believe that one would go so far as to bring a law on the way, which prohibits the use of VPN, only to enforce the gambling contract.
Especially since that would take years again.
Furthermore, I do not believe that this law would find a majority at all and I am sure that this would be overturned after suing the BGH, so or so again
So much caesura in Germany, no
The big casinos will follow the crypto casinos and also allow VPN connections, which do not voluntarily waive your money from Germany
Now some then bring the payment service providers into play again
Germany may be able to exert pressure on some payment providers, yes, but ban them outright? Only with great difficulty, if at all
But even if all existing payment service providers would cease to exist, do you really think the casino industry / lobby would not come up with new payment options or service providers around the corner within a very short time?
They are not stupid, have their ways and means and partly also the necessary influence
In addition, there is Crypto. That may not be for everyone and or for many still an unknown matter but is and remains an alternative against which the state can do nothing for now
I have been playing in crypto casinos for a long time, sometimes with, sometimes without VPN and have received each of my withdrawals without verification. Like XY other people I know
One last point is the casino's with German license or those applying for one
They will also, as the (offline) gambling houses have been doing for many years, look for "gray areas" as soon as the law is passed and find some to make gambling a bit more pleasant again.
Currently, they are waiting for the law to come into force and then for the licenses to be issued.
After that, they will also become active
Just look at some of our European neighbors who are already subject to restrictions - they continue to play in casinos for years without any problems
You may be right about some things, but not about some
1. Whether the gambling authority really starts on 01.07., or only later, is really irrelevant.
Fact is, the authority is already in the structure, and it is already longer Miarbeiter searched. Whether now July or
August, is actually no matter.
2. VPN will be a hot potato in my opinion. You have to give the casino your address and verify yourself accordingly
verify accordingly. Whether the casino will accept players from Germany without a German license at all, we will see
accept, we will see. Could also for the casino
Consequences have
I could imagine that this is monitored, and violations then also in the
Contrary to today rigorously pursued. And anyone who is caught gambling in a casino without a German license
is caught, which expects a criminal case due to tax evasion. Because nothing else is.
And as you know, the FRG is not exactly squeamish
Offense not exactly squeamish. Especially not when a check reveals that this is not the first time it has happened
the first time. Tax evasion with intent will not be funny. And that will be the trump card
of Germany
Those who think that it will go on so casually will have their eyes opened.
Small excerpt:
Initially, the establishment will only be responsible for monitoring developments in the gambling market and gambling research, as well as promoting gambling research. On July 1, 2022, the establishment will take over tasks related to payment interdiction measures and so-called IP blocking. The remaining tasks will be transferred to the Establishment on January 1, 2023.
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One essential point, for example, is the legality of the gambling offer. It may come as a surprise, but even a casino without a German license can be legal. In this case, it is important that the Provider has a gambling license from an EU country. Then the basic principle of freedom of services within the European un ion comes into play. This allows citizens to use the services of a company as long as it is authorized to do so in an EU country.
As a player, you can therefore legally play in an online casino with a gambling license from Malta. In fact, most Online Casinos are licensed by the Malta Gaming Authority. This renowned regulatory body has been active since 2001 and enjoys an excellent reputation in the online gambling community. Legality and security of casinos without a German license are thus definitely guaranteed.
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And what about payment providers ? Do they now have to look at the 'heart' of the casino, ie
look at, so directly call the casino to see the legality or not ?
And do you ever have a source for this process ? Because it makes no sense, since
thereby the German state license fees are lost and these casinos vs
over the casinos licensed in DE and also Malta, are better off. They
save the license fees
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A requirement of the judgment of the ECJ was that player and youth protection are guaranteed.
In this respect, it makes no sense to reach casinos without a German license, because otherwise Germany would be
cannot check who has paid how much, and minors can also pay in
deposit.
This would, in principle, violate the ECJ's templates, which in turn could open the door for lawsuits against
Germany. Anyone who loses could sue successfully.
From the logical way of thinking, all other casinos would have to be blocked. In what form that
happens, we will see. However, I personally do not believe that you can continue to play as before.
Germany thereby makes itself liable for damages to players who can visit other casino sites unmolested
Casino sites can visit.
To ensure player and youth protection, it is urgently necessary that everything runs through a central office
runs. Otherwise it cannot function at all!
This also has nothing to do with freedom of services
As in the case of the Basic Law, there are articles or laws that collide with others, which are more important than the other law
behind the other law. That is, freedom of services is "less important" as the
Player and youth protection! This is also the view of the ECJ, and has nothing to do with "we are not Europeans" or other
other outpourings to do.
Otherwise I could also buy weed here, because it is legal to buy in Holland, which is in Europe.
So the argument does not work.
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On the one hand because many really consider the 01.07. as a deadline, on which nothing more will go - whereby and I have already written it several times, a mountain of bureaucracy stands against the whole
The coming law must be converted then ersteinmal, a whole authority must be stamped from the soil, innumerable things be converted
This does not happen overnight and without a legal basis, you can plan in the background, but nothing can be implemented in advance and or really get going
Furthermore, the keyword "VPN" remains - if the law is formulated correctly, there is certainly nothing standing in the way of "IP blocks"
However, these can be circumvented via the use of "VPN"
The use of VPN is not prohibited in Germany and I hardly believe that one would go so far as to bring a law on the way, which prohibits the use of VPN, only to enforce the gambling contract.
Especially since that would take years again.
Furthermore, I do not believe that this law would find a majority at all and I am sure that this would be overturned after suing the BGH, so or so again
So much caesura in Germany, no
The big casinos will follow the crypto casinos and also allow VPN connections, which do not voluntarily waive your money from Germany
Now some then bring the payment service providers into play again
Germany may be able to exert pressure on some payment providers, yes, but ban them outright? Only with great difficulty, if at all
But even if all existing payment service providers would cease to exist, do you really think the casino industry / lobby would not come up with new payment options or service providers around the corner within a very short time?
They are not stupid, have their ways and means and partly also the necessary influence
In addition, there is Crypto. That may not be for everyone and or for many still an unknown matter but is and remains an alternative against which the state can do nothing for now
I have been playing in crypto casinos for a long time, sometimes with, sometimes without VPN and have received each of my withdrawals without verification. Like XY other people I know
One last point is the casino's with German license or those applying for one
They will also, as the (offline) gambling houses have been doing for many years, look for "gray areas" as soon as the law is passed and find some to make gambling a bit more pleasant again.
Currently, they are waiting for the law to come into force and then for the licenses to be issued.
After that, they will also become active
Just look at some of our European neighbors who are already subject to restrictions - they continue to play in casinos for years without any problems
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1. Whether the gambling authority really starts on 01.07., or only later, is really irrelevant.
Fact is, the authority is already in the structure, and it is already longer Miarbeiter searched. Whether now July or
August, is actually no matter.
2. VPN will be a hot potato in my opinion. You have to give the casino your address and verify yourself accordingly
verify accordingly. Whether the casino will accept players from Germany without a German license at all, we will see
accept, we will see. Could also for the casino
Consequences have
I could imagine that this is monitored, and violations then also in the
Contrary to today rigorously pursued. And anyone who is caught gambling in a casino without a German license
is caught, which expects a criminal case due to tax evasion. Because nothing else is.
And as you know, the FRG is not exactly squeamish
Offense not exactly squeamish. Especially not when a check reveals that this is not the first time it has happened
the first time. Tax evasion with intent will not be funny. And that will be the trump card
of Germany
Those who think that it will go on so casually will have their eyes opened.
Small excerpt:
Initially, the establishment will only be responsible for monitoring developments in the gambling market and gambling research, as well as promoting gambling research. On July 1, 2022, the establishment will take over tasks related to payment interdiction measures and so-called IP blocking. The remaining tasks will be transferred to the Establishment on January 1, 2023.
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