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Public complaints: Lapalingo declares €8,000 win void (Page 8)

Topic created on 11th Jul. 2018 | Page: 8 of 16 | Answers: 155 | Views: 48,700
Stromberg
Legend
Random wrote on 07/12/2018 at 2:50 PM

Again, there is talk around it but no one here can deliver a coherent explanation why you have to withdraw these 100 euros first and then Deposit again so that wins are valid.

I bins yes used to be fooled by casino support staff. But from alleged players, this is already a new dimension.

So I ask for an explanation from you and bones why there is this rule?





Since you ask for it:
The casino does not want to pay out more than 100 euros to someone who has never deposited anything.
It is clear that it makes no difference to deposit and withdraw the 100 or to play directly with it.

Maybe they only do this because they know that there are people who do not know this rule and therefore the probability that the money is gambled away is there and if the win is only 100 paid out

This may be all, and is also not user friendly.

But it is not a scam in my eyes, because you have been given money under certain conditions, and not deposited your own.




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Anonym
A year ago there was a similar case here, but it was about much less money.
Can you read through maybe times, just do not know right now, what came out there @thread creator

https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/beschwerden/lapalingo-verweigert-auszahlung-mit-einer-luge-beweis-liegt-vor-2072/

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Anonym
Stromberg wrote on 07/12/2018 at 3:19 PM
Since you ask:
The casino does not want to pay out more than 100 euros to someone who has never deposited anything.
Already clear that it makes no difference to Deposit and withdraw the 100 or to play directly with it.

Maybe they only do this because they know that there are people who do not know this rule and therefore the probability that the money is gambled away is there and if the win is only 100 paid out

This may be all, and is also not user friendly.

But it is not a scam in my eyes, because you have been given money under certain conditions, and not deposited your own.





So you're saying they do this because almost no one knows the rule and they save a hundred euros on a loss and don't have to pay out on a win anyway, but at the same time you don't call it fraud?
What is the definition of fraud for you?
Won money is real money that belongs to the winner.
Just as lost money belongs to the casino.
Anything else would completely contradict the purpose of a casino.

Had the TE paid out and paid in again, he would be entitled to the 8000 from your point of view, right?
But why? According to your argumentation, he would then also not be entitled to because he has earned the deposited money through a 'gift' of the casino. Is exactly the same then as if he had left it right upstairs.

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Stromberg
Legend
How is this implemented in other casinos that have a ND bonus with limited withdrawal?

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Stromberg
Legend
Random wrote on 12/07/2018 at 15:26
So you say they do this because almost no one knows the rule and so they save themselves a hundred euros if they lose and don't have to pay out if they win anyway but at the same time you don't call it fraud?
What is the definition of fraud for you?
Won money is real money that belongs to the winner.
Just as lost money belongs to the casino.
Anything else would completely contradict the purpose of a casino.

Had the TE paid out and paid in again, he would be entitled to the 8000 from your point of view, right?
But why? According to your argumentation, he would then also not be entitled to because he has earned the deposited money through a 'gift' of the casino. Is exactly the same then as if he had left it right upstairs.


No I said that they do it possibly also for the reason.
Fraud would be for me, as already mentioned, if the bonus was linked to an own deposit.
Won money is won money, lost lost you write.
Only the player has lost practically nothing, because he has deposited nothing.

To be clear once again:
Whether the whole thing is questionable, whether it aims at the not reading AGB whether one could solve it more fairly, may be everything.
But if I accept money as a gift that is bound to this condition, and I think it is quite clear in the conditions, then that's just the way it is.
In summary: it is not well implemented, the withdrawal without prior Deposit to limit I find okay.

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Anonym
Two things are simply completely confused here.

Perhaps we can agree to discuss the actual facts.

1. The 10 euro bonus is tied to a maxcashout of 100 euros.
That is completely in order. And no one here denounces that.

2. After implementation of this bonus 100 euros of real money are credited to the account which I can pay out at any time. But if the TE continues to play with it, the wins are invalid although he plays with real money. Real money is not linked to turnover conditions.

So this is only about point 2 and it would be very beneficial for the discussion to discuss only this point, because no one has anything against point 1 and this is clarified.
So to constantly argue with point 1 is completely missing the point.

Point 3 is that Lapalingo in their own terms and conditions have to stand that only wins with Bonus money are tied to the 100 Euro Maxcashout.
It should give the impression, but if you read it carefully then you see that the TE has not violated the terms and conditions because he has not played with bonus money.

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Anonym
Stromberg wrote on 07/12/2018 at 3:33 pm
No I said that they possibly do it for that reason as well.
Fraud would be for me, as already mentioned, if the bonus was linked to an own deposit.
Won money is won money, lost lost you write.
But the player has lost practically nothing, because he has deposited nothing

Irrelevant whether he would have deposited his own money.
After the bonus was implemented, the 100 euros were his own money. If he had paid it out to his account, goes to the bank and then has 100 euros in his wallet. Who owns the money if not the TE? So of course it is his own money.
What if he has already gambled away 10,000 before? Correct, also completely irrelevant.
The casino offers you a bonus with which you can make real money. Their problem, they do not have to make the offer.
After implementing the bonus, however, it is real money which then belongs to the respective player.
Completely irrelevant where the money then comes from. Real money is real money. And that it is shows the fact that he can withdraw it.

Let's be honest about which completely obvious things we discuss at all.
I feel like I have to explain to people here that the earth is round and not flat.

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Stromberg
Legend
Random wrote on 07/12/2018 at 3:41 PM
Irrelevant if he would have paid in his own money.
After implementing the bonus, the 100 euros was his own money. Had he paid it out to his account, goes to the bank and then has 100 euros in his wallet. Who owns the money if not the TE? So of course it is his own money.
What if he has already gambled away 10,000 before? Correct, also completely irrelevant.
The casino offers you a bonus with which you can make real money. Their problem, they do not have to make the offer.
After implementing the bonus, however, it is real money which then belongs to the respective player.
Completely irrelevant where the money then comes from. Real money is real money. And that it is shows the fact that he can withdraw it.

Let's be honest about which completely obvious things we discuss at all.
I feel like I have to explain to people here that the earth is round and not flat.


For me not irrelevant.
I think it is legitimate to say:
"You can only withdraw 100 euros, even if the bonus is wagered and the money is then called real money. Under these conditions we offer you the bonus."
You now know my opinion on this, and even if you want to portray me as slow on the uptake, I won't explain it again.
Of course you can post yours 10 more times.

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Anonym
Stromberg wrote on 07/12/2018 at 3:49 PM
Not irrelevant to me.
I think it is legitimate to say:
"You can only withdraw 100 euros, even if the bonus is converted and the money is then called real money. Under these conditions we offer you the bonus."
You now know my opinion on this, and even if you want to portray me as slow on the uptake, I won't explain it again.
Of course you can post yours 10 more times.

Then open the best also a casino and cheat the people with it.
In the end, you have also found no explanation but only the complete pointless argumentation of the casino adopted.


In the end, Lapalingo only harms itself and the players rightly migrate to fair casinos such as Videoslots.

And the TE I want to say that I am already in contact with a lawyer because of that is specialized in gambling law and I let now check to what extent you can do something against Lapalingo and Wunderino also in the criminal framework.
Their company is in Malta and probably also Malta will have laws and prosecutors.

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upola
Legend

I would be interested to know if the users defending the casino are only doing so because someone else has been harmed.
Would the same users do the same if they were the victim themselves?
I probably won't get an honest answer.
If I did get an honest answer, it would make the whole argument absurd.

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