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Public complaints: Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win (Page 29)

Topic created on 22nd Nov. 2017 | Page: 29 of 33 | Answers: 321 | Views: 136,296
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Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

16th Jun. 2018, at 08:41 pm CEST#281
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If you and your lawyer draw up a document in which you write his fee,
and the payment is only due after the verdict, why should that be forbidden?

There are certainly possibilities, it's just a matter of "wording".
I think your lawyer doesn't want to do that, because he is not as sure as he says

He can also do it on a voluntary basis, he is 99% sure, he can take the risk
Risk take. Then pay him just regular.

If you can not do that, you have to beat that out of your head, even if it's so
annoying

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Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

16th Jun. 2018, at 09:09 pm CEST#282
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Total without appeal

19 931,26 EUR



Appeal

18 563,12 EUR




Total costs (own)

38 494.38 EUR



Total costs (own + opponent)
in case of lost lawsuit
53 468,95 EUR

and exactly this problem I have if I pay the lawyer however myself whether before or after is actually no matter
If I don't win I'm out 50k


I'm just thinking if I can not file a complaint for fraud, (of course after info with the district court - if they say no then is just so) then a Austrian court would be responsible for it and the Insurance would take over again
The costs above would be at this sum above in Austria - Malta of course much more expensive

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s****e

Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 02:56 pm CEST#283
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The question is how they deal with it. It is also forbidden in Austria. Then you have a court hearing in Austria,
which costs money, then it will probably be passed on to the ECJ for a decision, since you have committed a crime in Austria,
but you still sue. This can drag on forever, and do not know if ECJ does not cost even more.

The ECJ has judged various criteria that must be present for a state to ban OC.
So you also have to take into account that maybe Austria will pull these criteria out of the hat.
Or that Austria asks for time to check this accordingly.
That costs time and money.
Then you would have completely screwed up. Win gone, lawyer fees gone...... ...


What does your lawyer say?

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nenad
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Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 04:00 pm CEST#284
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No idea must call ma the week

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s****e

Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 04:05 pm CEST#285
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Please let me know, I would also be interested in his opinion!

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Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 06:12 pm CEST#286
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stkrie wrote on 17.06.2018 at 14:56: Is yes in Austria equally prohibited.

What should be forbidden in Austria?

Online casinos are tolerated here quite normally, and some Online Casinos such as Mr Green, Interwetten and Bet-at-Home even pay taxes in our country, so they are allowed to advertise officially on TV, although only win2day from Casinos Austria has a monopoly here and Novomatic (Admiral Casinos), but the state will not do anything against various online casinos.
Money can buy everything

https://www.profil.at/shortlist/oesterreich/illegale-gluecksspiel-anbieter-zahlen-steuern-8631407

They are virtually just tolerated, but no one really cares if you gamble in a foreign online casino.

Politicians have already talked a few times about banning it because of Player protection, but this is just a farce, because it's only about the fact that the domestic casinos naturally make less revenue when the majority prefers to play in foreign online casinos

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Anonym

Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 06:23 pm CEST#287
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Let's take a completely different look:

You can also sell a claim, but only if there is a so-called enforcement title, which is not the case here.

But there may be smart and Risk-averse lawyers here and there, to whom you could hand over your claim for a (very small) fee and who would then try their luck.

After all, banks also sell promissory bills and make a win with them......

So I mean, suppose someone gives you 10,000 euros and you give him your claims against the casino. Then you are out, have the money (even if little) safe and a good lawyer can maybe get it out, where you then have nothing more of it, but would have ne small sum safe.

Just an idea from me.

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s****e

Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 07:21 pm CEST#288
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mike1975 wrote on 06/17/2018 at 18:12
What should be forbidden here in Austria?

Online casinos are tolerated here quite normally, and some Online Casinos such as Mr Green, Interwetten and Bet-at-Home even pay taxes in our country, so they are allowed to advertise officially on TV, although only win2day from Casinos Austria has a monopoly here and Novomatic (Admiral Casinos), but the state will not do anything against various online casinos.
Money can buy everything

https://www.profil.at/shortlist/oesterreich/illegale-gluecksspiel-anbieter-zahlen-steuern-8631407

They are virtually just tolerated, but no one really cares if you gamble in a foreign online casino.

Politicians have already talked a few times about banning it because of Player protection, but this is just a farce, because it's only about the fact that the domestic casinos naturally make less revenue when the majority prefers to play in foreign online casinos

Lastly, I was still told here by a user, it is also prohibited in Austria.
To what extent that is correct, I do not know.

A toleration as described by you, however, there is not.
Either it is permitted, or forbidden.
If it is tolerated, that gives me no legal security.

Similarly with smoking pot. As a rule, the prosecutors stop the eienr small amount (personal use),
but they can just as well hand over the criminal file to the court and bring charges.

This is also only "tolerated".

Such a toleration can be over in no time, if e.g. a new government comes to power, and wants to
would like to pursue this consistently.

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Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 07:55 pm CEST#289
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stkrie wrote on 06/17/2018 at 7:21 pm

Such a tolerate can be over in a jiffy, if e.g. a new government comes to power, and
that would like to pursue consistently.

Yes, they have already tried several times to ban it via the EU, but the applications were always rejected.

But if you had read the report in the link from me, then you would know that they "tolerate" it because these "illegal" casinos voluntarily pay taxes in Austria, although they are not obliged to do so, just to avoid a financial penalty.

Quote: " 17 illegal providers, often operating from Malta and Gibraltar, legally pay taxes and duties in Austria - between 2011 and 2017 as much as 155 million euros.

Apparently for this reason, the responsible tax authorities refrain from further charges for illegal gambling. "Illegal online gambling is thus tolerated by the Austrian authorities"

The Ministry of Finance emphasizes that they regularly write to the illegally operating providers abroad and ask them to declare the tax base for their income generated in Austria. They then receive a notice of the levies to be paid. Most providers then pay the levies and file a self-disclosure in order to avoid financial penal proceedings. "

Money makes the world go round

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s****e

Fraud: Adlercasino refuses to pay out 225.000€ from jackpot win

17th Jun. 2018, at 08:11 pm CEST#290
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These are nothing other than bribe payments.
And that publicly with the participation of the authorities!

That is a cheek!

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