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11th Jul. 2018, at 01:31 am CEST#31

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stkrie wrote on 11.07.2018 at 00:59: Also has enough expressiveness!

In principle, it's just like any slot. When I think of Danger, when the free spins come, the 9
appears as wild, and it is completely extinct afterwards, while it slays you in the basegame
the visual stimulation and the associated fallacy of probability,
is present in almost every slot.

I agree with you, of course.

But I make a slight distinction.

I think a gamble function must always correspond to the actual value.
So if I have red or black, the chance must be exactly 50/50.
Otherwise it is not gambling.

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11th Jul. 2018, at 01:35 am CEST#32

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Yes of course, am also on your side! Wanted to give that yes only as an example.
As mentioned before, I have the same experiment once with play money
made. I would have become poor, and can therefore only confirm.

Shocking were the incredible empty rounds of up to 8 at a time, when you actually
one has actually made it to the 24 times.

So the whole thing does not fit at the back and front.

As you say, from the 2 stage are almost three-quarters of the wheel the fields
for advancing. Fits but in reality from the mathematics of the
not at all. Thus a visual fooling around to gambles.

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11th Jul. 2018, at 03:26 pm CEST#33

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the3rdscatter wrote on 07/10/2018 at 8:05 pm: Player89: If you agree with the TE, then please excuse me for not quite understanding what you were trying to say with your post... Thought it was the standard argument again that is brought into play every time this topic comes up.
Of course you can't be sure that it won't go the other way on the next 1200 free games.... but honestly, how likely do you think that is? And such a statistic is also not used to make statements for the future, but it only defines expected values, if you will. And now everybody knows it: That the wheel should be coincidence, one simply cannot/should not expect. You know, if the value would be now at 45%-49%, then one could argue that it could run evenly also the other way around (realistic deviation), but values under 30% are simply no longer realistic or with coincidence to explain.
Of course, the movie comparison is lame, but it wasn't stupid! Because that is exactly what I think of someone who still dreams after such a statistic that everything will turn sometime again to the good! One should be as a player mMn so rational and admit to themselves that there are no coincidences, but only programs! Because (this is now only my opinion) just the fairy tale of coincidence drives many naive, who do not know better, over the own loss limits away, because they think, there MUST come sometime something. Or they think that you can not have so much bad luck and continue to play, because at some point the tide MUST turn. NO it does NOT have to! It is only a program! In the coincidence they would be right, but in a programmed Algorythmus not!
In this sense: Sorry for my countered kind, I wanted to make sure only that here the wrong message does not arrive

Hey all good..I just want to say that I experience exactly the same as thebutcher85. Since I always try to 24 works with me from 8 to 12 also around the 80%. I think that's where the Manipulation takes place because every single player is studied, because they know he always presses at 12. ( but who can prove that ) ...for the good would have changed with me only if I had stopped playing 10 years ago ... and of course I don't believe in coincidence, I've experienced too much for that.

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11th Jul. 2018, at 11:19 pm CEST#34

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So I have also bought the games at 0.60 € came then Hot +4 ...have had this several times ...Zocke never on the wheel !

Fooling pure !!!

Unless he wants

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18th Dec. 2018, at 09:00 pm CET#35

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Hello people

So, after a long time and many many hours of evaluating my statistics, I can now tell you the following:

I already suspected it myself, but I could not prove it yet.
A friend of mine is a mathematician with a doctorate.
With his help I could now prove that Extra Chilli (when buying free spins) does NOT work by chance. Therefore, not every time you buy free spins again, they are random and completely independent of the previous ones.
On the contrary, previous events have an influence on the future ones.
We could even predict with a probability of about 90% what will happen next. So whether it will be a fail or gamble.
Even the win amount depends on how much you won before.

The friend of mine is of the opinion he can explain himself only in such a way that the system '' mitschneidet'' and reacts depending upon.

On the question to him whether this is now the 100% proof that it does not go after coincidence he meant:
He could not speak of 100%, but with probability bordering on certainty 100%. He said if one assumes that everything would happen really purely by chance and the RTP witheinberechnet etc. these regularities/patterns should not occur.

The RTP as a whole is correct, however, he said
My explanation why this is nevertheless true and what sense it has then to cheat.
Quite simply: If it would run purely randomly it could happen that one hits 10 times in a row well and thus brings in nice wins. It can also happen that you get nothing 30 times in a row.
The first would be more Risk for the casino. The second would reduce the fun of the game enormously and probably make the player leave.

Funfact: In 2000 purchased free spins was my largest series in a row, so how many times he went to 16 free spins without loss in between 5 times. Only 5 times.
These 5 times were also all free spins in which he gave back just a little more than the bet.

What can you observe for example:
After a big win, he will not gamble on 16 for a long time, usually between 3-6 times.
If it does, then in 95% of cases these are bad to very mediocre free spins.
This is just a small thing that you can read out of the data.

Since I am not a mathematician I can not explain most of it exactly, so the conclusion of the friend of mine.
But I will ask him if he can write something together for me, then I could put it online.
He explains this really well and justifies this also scientifically.

If we read here so often that the free spins win is already fixed as soon as they run in, so you can at least with Extra Chilli maybe even assume that is already fixed before what you get in the next 10 times buy free spins.

If the Extra Chilli makes the question is no longer far whether not all do so.
It would be a great coincidence if only Extra Chilli would do that.

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18th Dec. 2018, at 09:45 pm CET#36

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Thanks for your experience and the work of your friend.
Had also bought a few times there and never won what right. Had some luck yesterday without buying,think I need to look for an alternative. I am open to suggestions.
Greetings

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18th Dec. 2018, at 10:28 pm CET#37

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Emx81 wrote on 12/18/2018 at 9:45 pm: Thanks for your experience and your friend's work.
Had bought there a few times too and never won anything right. Had some luck yesterday without buying,think I need to look for an alternative. I am open to suggestions.
Greetings

I've had good wins there too. That is not the issue.

The point is that the good and also the bad wins are not given at random

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18th Dec. 2018, at 11:16 pm CET#38

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Random wrote on 12/18/2018 at 21:00: Hi guys

So, after a long time and many many hours of evaluating my statistics, I can now tell you the following:

I already suspected it myself, but I could not prove it yet.
A friend of mine is a mathematician with a doctorate.
With his help I could now prove that Extra Chilli (when buying free spins) does NOT work by chance. Therefore, not every time you buy free spins again, they are random and completely independent of the previous ones.
On the contrary, previous events have an influence on the future ones.
We could even predict with a probability of about 90% what will happen next. So whether it will be a fail or gamble.
Even the win amount depends on how much you won before.

The friend of mine is of the opinion he can explain himself only in such a way that the system '' mitschneidet'' and reacts depending upon.

On the question to him whether this is now the 100% proof that it does not go after coincidence he meant:
He could not speak of 100%, but with probability bordering on certainty 100%. He said if one assumes that everything would happen really purely by chance and the RTP witheinberechnet etc. these regularities/patterns should not occur.

The RTP as a whole is correct, however, he said
My explanation why this is nevertheless true and what sense it has then to cheat.
Quite simply: If it would run purely randomly it could happen that one hits 10 times in a row well and thus brings in nice wins. It can also happen that you get nothing 30 times in a row.
The first would be more Risk for the casino. The second would reduce the fun of the game enormously and probably make the player leave.

Funfact: In 2000 purchased free spins was my largest series in a row, so how many times he went to 16 free spins without loss in between 5 times. Only 5 times.
These 5 times were also all free spins in which he gave back just a little more than the bet.

What can you observe for example:
After a big win, he will not gamble on 16 for a long time, usually between 3-6 times.
If it does, then in 95% of cases these are bad to very mediocre free spins.
This is just a small thing that you can read out of the data.

Since I am not a mathematician I can not explain most of it exactly, so the conclusion of the friend of mine.
But I will ask him if he can write something together for me, then I could put it online.
He explains this really well and justifies this also scientifically.

If we read here so often that the free spins win is already fixed as soon as they run in, so you can at least with Extra Chilli maybe even assume that is already fixed before what you get in the next 10 times buy free spins.

If the Extra Chilli makes the question is no longer far whether not all do so.
It would be a great coincidence if only Extra Chilli would do that.

What I would find interesting is, do you have the raw data? Would then also very much like to evaluate - find something like that always very exciting. But if he would record, you can change that by reloading or play in another OC - possibly with another IP and Mac address? There you would have to do more research, I know that compulsively the RTP settles at each slot little by little. With large masses, they almost always come very close to the specified RTP with minimal fluctuations.

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18th Dec. 2018, at 11:56 pm CET#39

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Ankor wrote on 12/18/2018 at 11:16 pm
What I would find interesting is do you have the raw data? Would love to evaluate those then - always find something like that very exciting. But if it would record, is it possible to change it by reloading or playing in a different OC - possibly with a different IP and Mac address? There you would have to do more research, I know that compulsively the RTP settles at each slot little by little. With large masses, they almost always come very close to the specified RTP with minimal fluctuations.

Right

The only problem is that I don't have them grouped together consistently.

We had to rummage through ourselves laboriously.
But I have anyway before these still clearly in ne Excel table to insert, that just takes time.

Then you can have them with pleasure, including our conclusions

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19th Dec. 2018, at 12:47 am CET#40

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Nothing happens by pure chance. I SAY EVERYTHING IS PRECEDENT because of the rtp. As I already mentioned in my last post

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