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Public complaints: BeTruG - Extra Chilli (Page 3)

Topic created on 09th Jul. 2018 | Page: 3 of 11 | Answers: 102 | Views: 25,940
Anonym

BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 01:02 am CEST#21
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Well, the fact is that when you click on spin, that is, in the Basegame, you already know "how much" you win. I always say "win matrix" - that's just the way it is. Everything else is just optics. You can win with 8 FS the same as with 24 or 28 or 38. are just more "rivets" interspersed! It's the same with Book of Gods - what's the point of all the gods and 100 FS if the win matrix shows 16,80€? If there are 4,980 they can also have with 15 FS with corresponding images

The only thing that is variable - is the stake ... so the multiplier.

But unfortunately, the options irritate us psychologically too strong if you have long no FS to buy the games then! Concerns me even - although I really know better 😡

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 01:15 am CEST#22
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Above all, you have to consider how the purchases are then in relation to the win...

You spend (let me lie) 100€ for 8x spin on 2€
At 8x spin you get at most nen Multipler of 9x... of course you then want to gamblen the spins ...triffst Grau zack 100€ away > new attempt.
Let's say in the best case haste then the next time the 12, 16, 20 or 24 spins and the pay then times with ach and krach 100x then haste just so your loss again, but rejoice like crazy

The gamble function is just another way to suck the money out of your pockets.

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 01:18 am CEST#23
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That's why I think Bonanza and donuts are better - no option to buy 😬ðŸ'ðŸ"

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 04:23 am CEST#24
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the3rdscatter wrote on 07/09/2018 at 22:53: Player89 I don't know what your problem is...? 1200 purchased features is a decent sample size to be able to say WITH CERTAINTY that the wheel does NOT follow randomness, but is manipulated.
If you are a smart guy, just invest 120.000€ in 0,20€ free spins and try it yourself....

1. I have no problem and am also of the same opinion that it is manipulated. 2. I did not put me as smart, I just wanted to know where you are so sure that with more free spins the % does not change and 3. that your movie comparison is bullshit we probably both know. I still think that you can pay e.g. at 1200 coin tosses first 300 times heads and 900 times tails and at the next 1200 throws exactly reversed. Was also just my opinion...

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 04:47 pm CEST#25
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Hello Random,

your theory that the chance of the 1st free spin is 50/50, I would also confirm at first glance.

You have now made the experience that the chance to hit a green field is significantly lower than 50%...

Somehow this reminds me of the Wheel of Rizk, which unfortunately also never stopped in the Jackpot field, although I spun it 100x.

Presumably it's already determined by the Random Number Generator before the spin if you have a chance to get many free spins.
All speculation, unfortunately...:-/

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 04:54 pm CEST#26
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At first glance, it also looks like the images on the reels are randomly shuffled. Whether a graphic representation must actually correspond to the real probability value is the question that arises. Before there is another shitstorm, of course it looks in advance as if the chance is 50:50 and it is clearly suggested so.

But what about the classic red/black Risk? Does the RTP of 95-98% actually apply there? Then the chance would no longer be at 50:50 to double his win but in this case with a x2 win at less than 50%.

This wheel now pays out but directly no money but you gambled quasi with FS. How it looks there - no idea. If the graphical representation would be correct, the chance to get through to the end according to my calculation at 7.1875% (I do not exclude that I miscalculated, could really be very good).

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 08:05 pm CEST#27
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Player89: If you are of the opinion of the TE, then please excuse that I did not quite understand what you wanted to say with your contribution... Thought it was again the standard argument that is brought into play every time this topic comes up.
Of course you can't be sure that it won't go the other way on the next 1200 free games.... but honestly, how likely do you think that is? And such a statistic is also not used to make statements for the future, but it only defines expected values, if you will. And now everybody knows it: That the wheel should be coincidence, one simply cannot/should not expect. You know, if the value would be now at 45%-49%, then one could argue that it could run evenly also the other way around (realistic deviation), but values under 30% are simply no longer realistic or with coincidence to explain.
Of course, the movie comparison is lame, but it wasn't stupid! Because that is exactly what I think of someone who still dreams after such a statistic that everything will turn sometime again to the good! One should be as a player mMn so rational and admit to themselves that there are no coincidences, but only programs! Because (this is now only my opinion) just the fairy tale of coincidence drives many naive, who do not know better, over the own loss limits away, because they think, there MUST come sometime something. Or they think that you can not have so much bad luck and continue to play, because at some point the tide MUST turn. NO it does NOT have to! It is only a program! In the coincidence they would be right, but in a programmed Algorythmus not!
In this sense: Sorry for my countered kind, I wanted to make sure only that here the wrong message does not arrive

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

10th Jul. 2018, at 09:12 pm CEST#28
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Aka wrote on 10/07/2018 at 01:18: Therefore I find Bonanza and donuts better - no purchase option 😬ðŸ'ðŸ"

Well whether I have now ne purchase function or none but the free spins come so low that it is more likely that I nod off during the game twice and hit my head on the edge of the table, zwischdurch but 431x GOL came. d Find generally the games of BTG questionable.

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

11th Jul. 2018, at 12:45 am CEST#29
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Matthias wrote on 10/07/2018 at 16:47: Hello Random,

your theory that the chance on the 1st free spin Gamble spin is 50/50, I would confirm at 1st glance as well.

You now have the experience that the chance to hit a green field is much lower than 50%...

Somehow this reminds me of the Wheel of Rizk, which unfortunately also never stopped in the Jackpot field, although I spun it 100x.

Presumably it's already determined by the Random Number Generator before the spin if you have a chance to get many free spins.
All speculation, unfortunately...:-/

That already at the time of buying the free spin is determined how much you win or how far you get when gambling is not the problem at all.
As is well known, this is the case with every game.

But in the long run, the suggested chance would still have to take effect.

Just think, in 1200 free spins I managed to gamble up to 4 times in a row, but empty runs already at the first spin where a 50/50 chance is suggested, from 5-8 were absolutely standard.
The record here was 16 games in a row. Whereby I looked at it again exactly. With the 17ten play I had then indeed the 16 free spins, however only a win of 8,90. which means thus even with this play I made minus. After this game 5 empty runs came in again. So actually 22 games.


Further in my statistics a quite bizarre conspicuousness.

If the games start with plus 4, so you start with 12 games on 16 games, the probability of gambling on the 16 free spins was only 14%.


A gamble function must actually correspond to the actual value, everything else is fraud.

Imagine you play Roulette and the chance to hit your color is suddenly only 23%.
There is no other way to evaluate this.


And on the subject of sample precision, as often mentioned here.

Of course, you can also play 12,000 games to substantiate it. But then you can say again, what if you played 2,000,000 games, is it still like that?
You can go on like this forever.

The fact is that 1200 games is already such a large sample size that it has statistically relevant significance.
And we're not talking about a tendency here, but if you would commission this as a scientific work, it would be recognized.
Therefore, one can very well speak of having proven something with it.

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BeTruG - Extra Chilli

11th Jul. 2018, at 12:59 am CEST#30
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Also has enough expressiveness!

In principle, it's just like any slot. When I think of Danger, when the free spins come, the 9
appears as wild, and it is completely extinct afterwards, while it slays you in the basegame
the visual stimulation and the associated fallacy of probability,
is present in almost every slot

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