Bonus conditions - German market vs international

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LiQuidz

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Forum posts: 23 Member since: 28.07.2022

Bonus conditions - German market vs international

24th Jun. 2024, at 02:40 am CEST#1

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Hi,
since my ban (application dated 28.05.) will be lifted in a few months and I like to play with Bonuses, I wanted to compare the bonus conditions (German market vs international). The result of the German market looks really bad.

Number of spins at €100 start and €1 bet per spin:

100€ / 1€ per spin - 98% RTP - 4951 spins
100 / €1 per spin - 97% RTP - 3301 spins
100 / €1 per spin - 96% RTP - 2476 spins
100 / €1 per spin - 94% RTP - 1651 spins
100 / €1 per spin - 90% RTP - 991 spins
100 / €1 per spin - 88% RTP - 826 spins
100 / €1 per spin - 84% RTP - 619 spins

Number of spins to successfully wager a bonus of €100 on €1 per spin:

Wager 40x bonus

100 bonus - 98% RTP - 4081.63 spins
100 bonus - 97% RTP - 4123.71 spins
100€ Bonus - 96% RTP - 4166,67 Spins
100 bonus - 90% RTP - 4444.44 spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 4761,90 Spins

Wagering 35x bonus

100€ Bonus - 96% RTP - 3645,83 Spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 3888,89 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 4166,67 Spins

Turnover 30x bonus

100€ Bonus - 96% RTP - 3125 Spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 3333,33 Spins
100 bonus - 84% RTP - 3571.43 spins

Wagering 25x bonus

100 bonus - 96% RTP - 2604.17 spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 2777,78 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 2976,19 Spins

Wagering 20x bonus

100 bonus - 96% RTP - 2083.33 spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 2222,22 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 2380,95 Spins

Turnover 15x bonus

100€ bonus - 96% RTP - 1562.15 spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 1666,67 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 1785,71 Spins

Wagering 10x bonus

100 bonus - 96% RTP - 1041.67 spins
100 bonus - 90% RTP - 1111.11 spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 1190,48 Spins

Turnover 5x bonus

100 bonus - 96% RTP - 520.83 spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 555,56 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 595,24 Spins

Bonus conditions International vs. German market:

40x Wager ( 96% RTP ) - 4166,67 : 2467 = 1,68
35x Wager ( 96% RTP ) - 3645,83 : 2467 = 1,47
25x Wager ( 96% RTP ) - 2604,17 : 2467 = 1,06

average international factor 1.5 - 1.7

40x Wager ( 90% RTP ) - 4444,44 : 991 = 4,48
35x Wager ( 90% RTP ) - 3888,89 : 991 = 3,92
25x Wager ( 90% RTP ) - 2777.78 : 991 = 2.8

average German factor 2,8 - 3,92

Ratio international vs German market

40x = 2,67
35x = 2,67
25x = 2,64

If the providers of the German market were to go to the international market with 96% RTP with these bonus conditions, the bonus conditions would look as follows:

instead of 40x = 107-108x
instead of 35x = 93-94x
instead of 25x = 66x

On the international market, bonus conditions of 40x on the bonus balance are already the highest limit (at least for me personally).

40x at 96% RTP corresponds to approx. 15x for German providers with 90% RTP or 9x with 84% RTP.

90% RTP - 991 x 1.7 = 1684.7 spins
84% RTP - 619 x 1.7 = 1052.3 spins

Wager 15x Bonus
100 bonus - 96% RTP - 1562.15 spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 1666,67 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 1785,71 Spins

Wager 9x Bonus
100€ Bonus - 96% RTP - 937,5 Spins
100€ Bonus - 90% RTP - 1000 Spins
100€ Bonus - 84% RTP - 1071,43 Spins

2 questions:

- Is the gaming wagering tax of 5.3% the deciding factor and ultimately so awesome that bonuses in the German market are more than double (almost 3x) what they are internationally?

- Does anyone currently play at Lapalingo or Löwenplay and is the tax deducted there when playing with bonus funds?

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Bacione85

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Bonus conditions - German market vs international

24th Jun. 2024, at 02:47 am CEST#2

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No, no tax is deducted during bonus play at the two casinos mentioned. But the turnover factor is so high at both of them that it is not worth playing with a bonus at all. My opinion.

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Langhans_innen

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Forum posts: 3.025 Member since: 22.01.2022

Bonus conditions - German market vs international

24th Jun. 2024, at 09:57 am CEST#3

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Did you prepare all the values like this or how did you come up with this highly interesting collection of figures? It's not that I would have checked it for plausibility before my first coffee, but I love such statistical value frameworks

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LiQuidz

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Forum posts: 23 Member since: 28.07.2022

Bonus conditions - German market vs international

24th Jun. 2024, at 03:49 pm CEST#4

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Liked this post: Langhans_innen

Bacione85 wrote on 24.06.2024 at 02:47: No, at the two casinos mentioned, no tax is deducted during the bonus game.

That is interesting. Would be good to know if it is generally the case that the tax is only due on real money wagers and not on Bonuses or if these two providers calculate it differently.

Langhans wrote on 24.06.2024 at 09:57: Did you prepare all the values like this or how did you come up with this highly interesting collection of figures? It's not that I would have checked it for plausibility before having my first coffee, but I love such statistical value frameworks

With the help of a spin calculator and bonus playthrough calculator. I was interested to see what effects a changed RTP has, not only on the number of spins but also on bonus turnover.

I can't understand the extremely high bonus conditions on the German market, which makes it difficult to find a suitable provider.

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Langhans_innen

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Bonus conditions - German market vs international

24th Jun. 2024, at 03:54 pm CEST#5

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LiQuidz wrote on June 24, 2024 at 3:49 pm:

Using a spin calculator and bonus playthrough calculator. Was interested to see what effect a changed RTP has, not only on the number of spins but also on bonus turnover.

I can't understand the extremely high bonus conditions on the German market, which makes it difficult to find a suitable provider.

Interesting subject matter that you have tackled with the appropriate tools. But I won't give too much away if I anticipate my opinion: there is no suitable Provider on the German market to play through Bonuses

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