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Bonus & offers: BingBong & JPP Membership -Your opinion (Page 6)

Topic created on 02nd Mar. 2025 | Page: 6 of 8 | Answers: 110 | Views: 6,242
frapi07
Elite
Saphira wrote on 25.03.2025 at 23:04: After another 13 days of Premium Membership, here is an interim report:

Since the membership will be automatically renewed on April 01 and the regular price for the Premium subscription will be collected, I have canceled the subscription for now. I would not have done this if I had been completely convinced of a real improvement. After my first positive experience with a subsequent payout of no less than 200 euros, I made three depositors. Two of them raw, the other to get those Tuesday free spins if you are among the "fast 5000". They were small depositors - I didn't want to invest more than 50 euros in total. I couldn't win anything on any of these three depositors. There was nothing to be gained from the max RTP slots - I couldn't see any difference to the normal slots while playing.

Among the poorly performing max-RTP slots, "El Torero" was at least friendly in the base game from time to time, spitting out tiny sums of money. However, never so much that I got into the profit zone. Countless times there was the fake 3rd Scatter, but no more free games. I made sure to leave a few days between depositors, because things can go differently well or badly at different times. With the lottery spins, I was able to make 250 spins, had 30 euros out and failed very quickly when wagering.

Immediately after taking out the subscription, I had the distinct feeling that I really had an advantage with the max RTP slots because they were running extremely well, but this has now completely disappeared. For me, any further depositors would now only be burning money anyway. In conclusion, I can say that I rate my win immediately after taking out the subscription as an outlier/coincidence/stumble of luck. The increased RTP values may really have had something to do with this at the time, but as the month progressed they seemed to be "deactivated".

Nevertheless, it was interesting to try this experiment. I didn't lose anything - on the contrary, the game was fun for a while, but
but then only the usual feeling you get when you play in German casinos.

I'd be interested to know what happened to the other subscription holders. Were you able to notice the increased RTP values over a longer period of time or at all?

I think your experience reports are great, but I'm currently wondering what expectations you have for the "max rtp slots" (please don't feel explicitly addressed, applies to everyone here). Even if the RTP is 94%, it's still <100% and so on average you lose your money. If you ask me, I expect such slots to have more frequent sessions where you can keep a good balance and possibly win something. With the current RTP (84%), this has become rather rare. It should come as no surprise that there will also be sessions where you lose your balance abruptly. 4 short sessions are rather unsuitable for an overall conclusion. This would have to be tested in the long term and in my opinion 1 month is too short for this. I think that the higher RTP is somehow noticeable in the long term.

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Saphira
Elite

frapi07 wrote on March 25th, 2025 at 11:19 pm:
I think your testimonials are great, but I'm currently wondering what expectation you have with the "max rtp slots" (please don't feel explicitly addressed, applies to everyone here). Even if the RTP is 94%, it's still <100% and therefore you lose your money on average. If you ask me, I expect such slots to have more frequent sessions where you can keep a good balance and possibly win something. With the current RTP (84%), this has become rather rare. It should come as no surprise that there will also be sessions where you lose your balance abruptly. 4 short sessions are rather unsuitable for an overall conclusion. This would have to be tested in the long term and in my opinion 1 month is too short for this. I think that the higher RTP is somehow noticeable in the long term.

Thank you, Frapi. I know what you mean too. Increased RTP values are of course no profit Insurance and they are always below 100%, so on average you actually lose your money. Even with a very high RTP, you may only lose for months and then perhaps land a big hit. Or you might have a big hit straight away and then bob around in the loser zone for ages afterwards. The third possibility is that things balance out and you simply maintain a good balance. In this respect, you are right when you write that one month is far too short for a test phase.


However, I have now jumped ship because I have noticed that since my positive experience immediately after signing up, there have only been negative ones. By way of comparison, I have other casinos where there was an abrupt loss in the same period after a good win, but then immediately good wins again. And that's not the case here. It just feels inconsistent to me.

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frapi07
Elite
Saphira wrote on 26.03.2025 at 01:06:

Thank you, Frapi. I know what you mean too. Increased RTP values are of course no guarantee of winning and they are always below 100%, so on average you actually lose your money. Even with a very high RTP, you may only lose for months and then perhaps land a big hit. Or you may have a big hit straight away and then bob around in the loser zone for ages afterwards. The third possibility is that things balance out and you simply maintain a good balance. In this respect, you are right when you write that one month is far too short for a test phase.


However, I have now jumped ship because I have noticed that since my positive experience immediately after signing up, there have only been negative ones. By way of comparison, I have other casinos where there was an abrupt loss in the same period after a good win, but then immediately good wins again. And that's not the case here. It just feels inconsistent to me.

I've noticed that some people were hoping for more. I don't know why, maybe it's due to nostalgia (nice experiences are retained, while the unpleasant ones are forgotten). They tried the new subscription system, played a little, lost and thought the offer was bad.

I understand. I mean, hats off to you for trying it. I haven't tried it (just don't want to support such a model). I think you might also be partly right. It probably won't be quite like it used to be. The reason: the servers are only for German players (because of the max. bet / 5 sec rule) -> ergo fewer players/turnover/winning opportunities. This cannot be compared with slots that are played in several countries. But I can't say for sure whether this also influences the phases.

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Stromberg
Legend
You simply shouldn't expect too much.
There were also phases in the "old" casinos where you didn't get a decent hit for months.
Even here in the forum, in the days before regulation, you regularly read every few days/weeks: "things aren't like they used to be" ... "No more wins possible" ... "It used to be much better, won all the time"... Etc etc...

In addition, although the highest RTP is offered in DE, it is still only between 93 and 94.5% in the vast majority of games. In pre-regulation times, that would have been a reason to complain, not to celebrate... 😆
And many games are Merkur Slots, which have always been a thing of their own anyway...

I think, for example, with games like Reactoonz you can feel the higher RTP straight away, the game just plays differently...

However: I no longer have a comparison with unregulated casinos, so I can no longer judge the RTP and "yield". Is approx. 96% still standard? Or has the AQ dropped there too?

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Stromberg
Legend
frapi07 wrote on March 26th, 2025 at 11:28 am:
I noticed that some had hoped for more. Don't know why, maybe it's due to nostalgia (nice experiences are preserved while the unpleasant ones are forgotten). Tried the new subscription system, played a little, lost and thought the offer was bad.

I understand. I mean, hats off to you for trying it. I haven't tried it (just don't want to support such a model). I think you might also be partly right. It probably won't be quite like it used to be. The reason: the servers are only for German players (because of the max. bet / 5 sec rule) -> ergo fewer players/turnover/winning opportunities. This cannot be compared with slots that are played in several countries. But I can't say for sure whether this also influences the phases.

I can't understand this logic with the number of players...

Even if only the money collected could be paid out, which is actually not allowed, and the number of, say, 2000x hits is reduced overall, the chance for the individual should be the same, as there are also fewer players who can hit them...

But as I said, the money should also be paid out if the "balance of a server" is in the red or goes into the red, however you want to put it...

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frapi07
Elite
Stromberg wrote on 26.03.2025 at 13:21: You just shouldn't expect too much.
There were also phases in the "old" casinos where you didn't get a decent hit for months.
Even here in the forum, in the days before regulation, you regularly read every few days/weeks: "things aren't working like they used to" ... "No more wins possible" ... "It used to be much better, won all the time"... Etc etc...

In addition, although the highest RTP is offered in DE, it is still only between 93 and 94.5% in the vast majority of games. In pre-regulation times, that would have been a reason to complain, not to celebrate... 😆
And many games are Merkur Slots, which have always been a thing of their own anyway...

I think, for example, with games like Reactoonz you can feel the higher RTP straight away, the game just plays differently...

However: I no longer have a comparison with unregulated casinos, so I can no longer judge the RTP and "yield". Is approx. 96% still standard? Or has the AQ dropped there too?

K-stalls still have this RTP. Others now have lower RTPs (especially FIAT casinos).

Merkur Slots, yes, but I've gained the most experience in casinos. There we are a long way from 94%. But of course, even when Platin still had them, I always played Black Hole and only once did I have a good session. Other than that, I was always pretty much ripped off online. Offline, I felt like I had better sessions more often, but I have no idea how high the RTP was with Platin. It's really funny when I think about it now

Stromberg wrote on March 26th, 2025 at 1:28 pm:
I can't understand that logic with the number of players...

Even if only money collected could be paid out, which is actually not allowed, and the number of say 2000x hits is reduced overall, the chance for the individual should be the same again, since there are also fewer players who can hit it...

But as I said, it should actually also be paid out if the "balance of a server" is in the red or goes into the red, however you want to put it...

Well, in the international booths you also have higher bets and there is a lot more money in circulation, which can also be won. In the German booths, the limit is €1. Even if a slot turns over €200,000 (and 94% of that is paid out), it is significantly less than, for example, €2,000,000 (with the same RTP, as several countries and also higher bets). But please don't nail me to the numbers, they are just random numbers.

I don't know if I'm right, but with the international booths you simply have a better chance of getting a good session due to the higher turnover, even with low bets.

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Pat1991
Top Member
Don't laugh: I have already seen games with an RTP of 92.5% in foreign OCs. Not a typo.

And some slots no longer give an RTP at all. A rogue who thinks evil.

The 95% for these MaxRTP things really isn't wrong. In the casino in NRW, by the way, there are now 94% across the board.

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JonasBrrt
Experienced
A question in the round, if you win in the duels and it says, for example, that today is the end of the duel and I am in 1st place.
But I can't find the free spins anywhere.
Does anyone know when they are booked?
I hope I don't have to chase the support for the free spins now
Especially as you can't reach anyone at the weekend anyway

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Saphira
Elite

JonasBrrt wrote on 29.03.2025 at 18:40: A question in the round, if you win in the duels and it says, as it does for me now, for example, that today is the end of the duel and I am in 1st place.
But I can't find the free spins anywhere.
Does anyone know when they are booked?
I hope I don't have to chase the support for the free spins now
Especially as you can't reach anyone at the weekend anyway

I got the free spins credited after the 72 hours had expired. They also appear under "Active promotions". Maybe it will be quicker for you. You can credit something like that directly. To be honest, I don't understand why they make you wait so long.

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JonasBrrt
Experienced
NA Great, now the 72 hours are up and still no free spins far and wide... I'll probably only get them booked manually on Monday,

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rosiking
Rookie

JonasBrrt wrote on 30.03.2025 at 00:19: NA Great, now the 72 hours are rum and still no free spins far and wide... I'll probably only get them booked manually on Monday,

Waiting since 24.03. for the duel free spins🤣😂

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DerLorax
Experienced

rosiking wrote on March 30, 2025 at 11:46 pm:

Waiting since 24.03. for the duel free spins🤣😂

Still waiting for the free spins won for duels from 28.+29.03. There's quite a hitch. I didn't receive the free spins for the 7.99 package either and had to have them activated one after the other by support. Monday games and free spins from the Thursday draw, on the other hand, are credited properly, so it's not a general account problem.


What I have to say, however, is that in both cases the support team responded quickly and in a very friendly manner. Now I'll have to wait and see, I'm still missing a total of over 110 free spins in 10 duels 🤔☺️

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JonasBrrt
Experienced

DerLorax wrote on 04/04/2025 21:49:

Still waiting for the free spins won for duels from March 28 + 29. There's quite a hitch. I didn't receive the free spins for the 7.99 package either and had to have them activated one after the other by support. Monday games and free spins from the Thursday draw, on the other hand, are credited properly, so it's not a general account problem.


What I have to say, however, is that in both cases the support team responded quickly and in a very friendly manner. Now I have to wait and see, I'm still missing a total of over 110 free spins in 10 duels 🤔☺️

Yes, for me it was also the 29 and the 30 where I am still waiting for the wins but I reached one yesterday in Live Chat and was told today all games will be rebooked.

I hope the same for you 😁

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Donnie
Elite
If you read along here you can see how pathetic the whole promotion is. Waiting several days for free spins, having to write to support. It's all going on in the juice store where you win nothing anyway. Why do you do this nonsense? The first reduced subscription for testing can still be understood, after that the subscription should be history

In general, you notice the deterioration of Deposit bonuses. Huge selection at JackpotPiraten and still garbage. Tipico has changed everything to 40x turnover for the missions. You wait in vain for improvements in the bonus conditions, e.g. at StarGames and Co. Many deposit offers have now been raised to a deposit amount of €20. Novoline also only comes with high depositors outside of €10. No, you German stalls, go away with your shit. It's not enough that you can hardly win anything, you also have to make the bonus conditions even more difficult. 40x turnover is not acceptable, you whores of the state

Oh yes and real money free spins are absolutely outrageous for me, thanks Wunderino for the 20 cents in 4 days Epic Week and constant dead spins at bwin or Betano, you are simply a bad joke

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JonasBrrt
Experienced
Donnie wrote on 05.04.2025 at 08:26: If you read along here you can see how pathetic the whole promotion is. Waiting several days for free spins, having to write to support. Runs in the juice store where you win nothing anyway. Why do you do this nonsense? The first reduced subscription for testing can still be understood, after that the subscription should be history

In general, you notice the deterioration of Deposit bonuses. Huge selection at JackpotPiraten and still garbage. Tipico has changed everything to 40x turnover for the missions. You wait in vain for improvements in the bonus conditions, e.g. at StarGames and Co. Many deposit offers have now been raised to a deposit amount of €20. Novoline also only comes with high depositors outside of €10. No, you German stalls, go away with your shit. It's not enough that you can hardly win anything, you also have to make the bonus conditions even more difficult. 40x turnover is not acceptable, you whores of the state

Oh yes and real money free spins are absolutely outrageous for me, thanks Wunderino for the 20 cents in 4 days Epic Week and constant dead spins at bwin or Betano, you are just a bad joke

I completely agree with you and I only took the two starting offers to get all the free spins. I've already canceled the subscriptions on both sites 😁

but I have to admit that I was able to withdraw €80 from BingBong thanks to the free spins, so the first month was worth it for me 😂

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