l****p wrote on 12/17/2019 at 12:06 PM
Nah sorry, I don't follow you anymore either
First it was about the doubters, then about the German laws, which anyway only ...
OhJeMiNe
Well, that I could make you laugh is positive. At least something in the whole conversation. Doesn't diminish the "Missed the point! 6.SETZEN" -frustration feeling what causes me the exchange with you. But this way I can at least console myself for not having wasted my life time completely uselessly which is precious.
Therefore=》has brought you joy = ✔Check 😉 =》mir = sober memory = ✔✔
I just can't keep making the mistake. Unthinkingly simply taking it for granted that, in every individual equally, the presence of a minimum of basic knowledge (or at least the interest in acquiring it)
and the talent for a general understanding connections to recognize and to be able to derive, is given! In this sense ✌ wüsch' you what! Lg
Quckie wrote on 17/12/2019 at 12:31 PM
The thing is that people who don't gamble regularly or don't necessarily have a problem with gambling often think that everything is fair, safe and correct!
People who play often and over several days and hours usually know that there must be something wrong!
This is simply lack of experience in many hobby gamblers.
People who play for several hours over several days have quite different ideas and especially quite different concerns.
You don't have to be good at throwing money into the fire to have a say. Anyone who has thought about it and knows how randomness behaves in a certain distribution will notice that it runs online in terms of RTP fair. The RTP information is correct and nothing more is promised.
You are still visually deceived and animated by casinos to gamble by tricks where you think you have seen through them and therefore can not fall in (but you still fall for it again and again). That the handling of technical problems can be fraudulent may very well be. A casino is actually able to withhold money from the player in such special cases.
Assuming an online casino is established, has existed for several years and does not just have a license (like most) - and runs correctly
This is basically a completely normal economic operation. The baker around the corner produces baked goods that he sells for a profit and what the baker's rolls are, are the gambling offers in an online casino. If the baker is crap and doesn't taste good, the customers won't come back either, and at some point he'll go bankrupt. Walk-in customers do not keep a store alive in the long run - because quality prevails and that only works if the regular customer is satisfied and passes this on through word of mouth. Or not? So and if my product is e.g. a slot - is fixed by the RTP from the beginning of my income per bet that I get maximum. simplified example calculation: 1000€ are deposited within the specified 4.weeks period at 96% RTP in this slot = go of 40€ to the casino and 960€ to all players but just distributed at random over the entire period. That is, the casino always gets the 4% - only the players in the individual yes according to chance differently much as a win BUT IN TOTAL THE FULL 96% ARE PAID OUT AGAIN FROM THE SLOT!
The casino doesn't care who gets how much, when or how often of the 96% - The win only increases when more players put in more money so that the total amount is higher. 4% of 1000€ is 40€ and with 10.000€ it is 400€ - therefore mass makes cash I have as a company nothing of it if I alienate my source of income or me problems by misconduct with the licensing authorities of the respective countries do and by loss, with myr bank in the liquidity fall down and certain customer groups no longer reach or even completely my business must stop! I mean yes only - completely logically economically seen. Or do I see that wrong?
This has been discussed here a few times.
The casino always makes its win.
Why should they cheat?
Surely there are casinos that do not want to pay out at all, but these are casinos that are only out to cheat.
There are several thousand players playing at the same time.why should you cheat player X and player Y not.
upola wrote on 12/18/2019 08:39: This has been themed here a few times.
The casino does ....
Nee naive would be to assume these are all do-gooders🤣 To return to the actual topic - that the probabilities for a win or loss in gambling remain unchanged in any case in the random principle-no matter how one meit to believe - it remains and is fact. One's own perception of probabilities is usually distorted. And you should think about it - 😅 so when people start to find something funny and suspect the casinos with deliberately act against you - there otherwise usually, the one in the past more often and regularly won there. And believes a win is to be expected there safely. Now however suddenly its bad luck streak there for a long time holds and strangely enough after he/she had been lucky several times in a row and one or more higher wins has paid off. Then they are usually already in financial trouble and do not realize that their own actions have brought them there. So a normal player finds indeed shit that he has grad somehow only bad luck - but then also stops - to continue to feed the machine, as soon as his personal limit is reached. Which he can represent as a maximum output without taking damage. He will then also probably rather less - let off conspiracy theories - his frustration level is not on the level of an excessive gambler - who could not control his impulse & does not notice it. Stress-frustration-agressionlevels rise increasingly those who expect from past experiences concluding to be able to compensate their losses by a win when gambling, but estimate the probability through distorted perception completely wrong and so can only be something wrong if no success arrives. That the/they would have stopped to play and would have afforded with the high win better what nice and or paid a few bills in advance instead of everything and even more to verballern in expectation that it works again and only their action is the cause - is faded out in the intoxication. The relationship of the wins to losses is wrongly felt and irrational.
Dagmarlena wrote on 18/12/2019 at 03:42: Assuming an online casino is established, has existed for several years and not only has a license (like most) - and runs correctly
After all, this is basically a normal economic operation. The baker around the corner produces baked goods that he sells for a profit and what the baker's rolls are, are the gambling offers in an online casino. If the baker is crap and doesn't taste good, the customers won't come back either, and at some point he'll go bankrupt. Walk-in customers do not keep a store alive in the long run - because quality prevails and that only works if the regular customer is satisfied and passes this on through word of mouth. Or not? So and if my product is e.g. a slot - is fixed by the RTP from the beginning of my income per bet that I get maximum. simplified example calculation: 1000€ are deposited within the specified 4.week period at 96% RTP in this slot = go of 40€ to the casino and 960€ to all players but just distributed at random over the entire period. That is, the casino always gets the 4% - only the players in the individual yes according to chance differently much as a win BUT IN TOTAL THE FULL 96% ARE PAID OUT AGAIN FROM THE SLOT!
The casino doesn't care who gets how much, when or how often of the 96% - The win only increases when more players Deposit more money so that the total amount is higher. 4% of 1000€ is 40€ and with 10.000€ it is 400€ - therefore mass makes cash I have as a company nothing of it if I alienate my source of income or me problems by misconduct with the licensing authorities of the respective countries do and by loss, with myr bank in the liquidity fall down and certain customer groups no longer reach or even completely my business must stop! I mean yes only - completely logically economically seen. Or do I see that wrong?
Your view I find very good but the big problem is just still that almost every player thinks he only has to play long enough to get a win always the sayings "he gives soon" etc..
In the halls I often see people complain when he goes with 200-300 € on 20 cents not on 140 the scream immediately all Manipulation or talk about tax chips and camera insight of the operators who let individual people win -.-
The annoying slowly so extreme gamblers are simply susceptible to conspiracies but the point is no matter how much they believe to be cheated they still play!
Yesterday I also heard two people rant that all machines are set the same
Guess who stayed at the manipulated machines for 5 hours
gamble1 wrote on 19.12.2019 at 14:58
Your view I find very good but the big problem is just still that almost every player thinks he only has to gamble long enough to get a win always the sayings "he gives soon" etc....
In the halls I often see people complain when he goes with 200-300 € on 20 cents not on 140 the scream immediately all Manipulation or talk about tax chips and camera insight of the operators who let individual people win -.-
The annoying slowly so extreme gamblers are simply susceptible to conspiracies but the point is no matter how much they believe to be cheated they still play!
Yesterday I also heard two people rant that all machines are set the same
Guess who stayed at the rigged machines for another 5 hours
i think that's partly true, the providers have access to your webcam and let only the ugly people win, that explains why such a cool sow like me always only loses
i think that's partly true, the providers have access to your webcam and only let the ugly people win, that explains why such a cool pig like me always only loses
Ymmd! 🤣🤣🤣
@gamble1 if you play long enough you logically win at some point, but not as much as you chase im the machine
Exception would be possibly nen prog. Jackpot to crack. Should I ever succeed, I will never gamble in a casino again!
Very much like you, the extreme are always susceptible to conspiracy theories or just the conspiracy theorists for the extreme (negative) things. One sees yes also in other areas of life.
gamble1 wrote on 12/19/2019 at 2:58 pm
I find your view very ...
as I said - distorted perception! The offline machines in a gambling house have a pre-programmed limit for losses and payouts after which in the course of play the system runs. The RTP regardless of this refers to the total funds deposited there
You have to ask in your gambling house if they do not have this information openly displayed. The machine manufacturers give flyers with information about the Interwallen out. Must the also is gesetzl. prescribed the players to inform
Whether that is only since the last update or has always been so I do not know
Only that the now have the information obligation is since the last law change I know. Have read through the flyer - was only the one there, would have taken the otherwise. Because so completely I did not understand the content, but will internalize the info again
In any case, there was something about that if within ?- playing time - a certain amount of wins were distributed - the machine ?-lang, no winnings will distribute
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OhJeMiNe
Well, that I could make you laugh is positive. At least something in the whole conversation. Doesn't diminish the "Missed the point! 6.SETZEN" -frustration feeling what causes me the exchange with you. But this way I can at least console myself for not having wasted my life time completely uselessly which is precious.
Therefore=》has brought you joy = ✔Check 😉 =》mir = sober memory = ✔✔
I just can't keep making the mistake. Unthinkingly simply taking it for granted that, in every individual equally, the presence of a minimum of basic knowledge (or at least the interest in acquiring it)
and the talent for a general understanding connections to recognize and to be able to derive, is given! In this sense ✌ wüsch' you what! Lg
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People who play for several hours over several days have quite different ideas and especially quite different concerns.
You don't have to be good at throwing money into the fire to have a say. Anyone who has thought about it and knows how randomness behaves in a certain distribution will notice that it runs online in terms of RTP fair. The RTP information is correct and nothing more is promised.
You are still visually deceived and animated by casinos to gamble by tricks where you think you have seen through them and therefore can not fall in (but you still fall for it again and again). That the handling of technical problems can be fraudulent may very well be. A casino is actually able to withhold money from the player in such special cases.
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This is basically a completely normal economic operation. The baker around the corner produces baked goods that he sells for a profit and what the baker's rolls are, are the gambling offers in an online casino. If the baker is crap and doesn't taste good, the customers won't come back either, and at some point he'll go bankrupt. Walk-in customers do not keep a store alive in the long run - because quality prevails and that only works if the regular customer is satisfied and passes this on through word of mouth. Or not?
So and if my product is e.g. a slot - is fixed by the RTP from the beginning of my income per bet that I get maximum.
simplified example calculation: 1000€ are deposited within the specified 4.weeks period at 96% RTP in this slot = go of 40€ to the casino and 960€ to all players but just distributed at random over the entire period.
That is, the casino always gets the 4% - only the players in the individual yes according to chance differently much as a win BUT IN TOTAL THE FULL 96% ARE PAID OUT AGAIN FROM THE SLOT!
The casino doesn't care who gets how much, when or how often of the 96% -
The win only increases when more players put in more money so that the total amount is higher.
4% of 1000€ is 40€ and with 10.000€ it is 400€ - therefore mass makes cash
I have as a company nothing of it if I alienate my source of income or me problems by
misconduct with the licensing authorities of the respective countries do and by loss, with myr bank in the liquidity fall down and certain customer groups no longer reach or even completely my business must stop! I mean yes only - completely logically economically seen.
Or do I see that wrong?
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The casino always makes its win.
Why should they cheat?
Surely there are casinos that do not want to pay out at all, but these are casinos that are only out to cheat.
There are several thousand players playing at the same time.why should you cheat player X and player Y not.
But maybe I'm just too naive, who knows.
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Nee naive would be to assume these are all do-gooders🤣
To return to the actual topic - that the probabilities for a win or loss in gambling remain unchanged in any case in the random principle-no matter how one meit to believe - it remains and is fact.
One's own perception of probabilities is usually distorted.
And you should think about it - 😅 so
when people start to find something funny and suspect the casinos with deliberately act against you - there otherwise usually, the one in the past more often and regularly won there. And believes a win is to be expected there safely.
Now however suddenly its bad luck streak there for a long time holds and strangely enough after he/she had been lucky several times in a row and one or more higher wins has paid off. Then they are usually already in financial trouble and do not realize that their own actions have brought them there.
So a normal player finds indeed shit that he has grad somehow only bad luck - but then also stops - to continue to feed the machine, as soon as his personal limit is reached. Which he can represent as a maximum output without taking damage.
He will then also probably rather less - let off conspiracy theories - his frustration level is not on the level of an excessive gambler - who could not control his impulse & does not notice it. Stress-frustration-agressionlevels rise increasingly those who expect from past experiences concluding to be able to compensate their losses by a win when gambling, but estimate the probability through distorted perception completely wrong and so can only be something wrong if no success arrives.
That the/they would have stopped to play and would have afforded with the high win better what nice and or paid a few bills in advance instead of everything and even more to verballern in expectation that it works again and only their action is the cause - is faded out in the intoxication.
The relationship of the wins to losses is wrongly felt and irrational.
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Your view I find very good but the big problem is just still that almost every player thinks he only has to play long enough to get a win always the sayings "he gives soon" etc..
In the halls I often see people complain when he goes with 200-300 € on 20 cents not on 140 the scream immediately all Manipulation or talk about tax chips and camera insight of the operators who let individual people win -.-
The annoying slowly so extreme gamblers are simply susceptible to conspiracies but the point is no matter how much they believe to be cheated they still play!
Yesterday I also heard two people rant that all machines are set the same
Guess who stayed at the manipulated machines for 5 hours
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i think that's partly true, the providers have access to your webcam and let only the ugly people win, that explains why such a cool sow like me always only loses
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Ymmd! 🤣🤣🤣
@gamble1 if you play long enough you logically win at some point, but not as much as you chase im the machine
Exception would be possibly nen prog. Jackpot to crack. Should I ever succeed, I will never gamble in a casino again!
Very much like you, the extreme are always susceptible to conspiracy theories or just the conspiracy theorists for the extreme (negative) things. One sees yes also in other areas of life.
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as I said - distorted perception! The offline machines in a gambling house have a pre-programmed limit for losses and payouts after which in the course of play the system runs. The RTP regardless of this refers to the total funds deposited there
You have to ask in your gambling house if they do not have this information openly displayed. The machine manufacturers give flyers with information about the Interwallen out. Must the also is gesetzl. prescribed the players to inform
Whether that is only since the last update or has always been so I do not know
Only that the now have the information obligation is since the last law change I know. Have read through the flyer - was only the one there, would have taken the otherwise. Because so completely I did not understand the content, but will internalize the info again
In any case, there was something about that if within ?- playing time - a certain amount of wins were distributed - the machine ?-lang, no winnings will distribute
And the whole explained for the reverse case
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