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Landbased Casinos in general: RTP? Return to Player

Topic created on 29th Apr. 2020 | Page: 1 of 1 | Answers: 8 | Views: 2,197
Endiii
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29th Apr. 2020, at 04:30 pm CEST#1
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Hallos Gamblejoe Members,

Short and simple question, at what point can assume from a rtp that it is most likely fraud?

So say 2300 spins at 250 euros are there arithmetically 20% rtp ok? Would like to just listen to your opinion

Thanks in advance 🙂

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Zweier
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29th Apr. 2020, at 04:31 pm CEST#2
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I think I once heard that RTP is a theoretical value on X-million spins.

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derzweifel
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29th Apr. 2020, at 05:15 pm CEST#3
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Never - RTP is a value that indicates the total payout of a machine over millions or billions of spins to all players. An RTP per player does not exist, 2300 spins is nothing in this context. With enough bad luck you can have 5% RTP.

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v****2

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30th Apr. 2020, at 03:03 am CEST#4
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Endiii wrote on 04/29/2020 at 4:30 pm: Hallos Gamblejoe members,

Short and simple question, at what point can assume an rtp is most likely a scam?

So speaking 2300 spins at 250 euros are there arithmetically 20% rtp ok? Would like to just listen to your opinion

Thanks in advance 🙂

on the one hand I do not understand your question and on the other hand your calculation.


the official rtp value comes from the manufacturer and is more to be understood as a guideline.
so you can assume that you will win more on a game with 97% rtp
as with a game that only has a rtp value of 95%. in the short term, the result can be
result can be different. if you have a big hit in the game with 95% rtp value
big hit after let's say 200 spins and in the game with 97% you are unlucky and don't get a
no bonus round during the 200 spins and also no big wins in the base game
wins your personal value for the two games is of course completely different.
this can happen but is rather unlikely. the Variance plays of course with so few
so few spins also plays a big role.

how do you come to the rtp of 20%. i mean theoretically that is already
possible but you notice after 50-100 spins at the latest that it does not make sense
makes on such a machine to continue to play

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Slot-Hunter
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30th Apr. 2020, at 09:43 am CEST#5
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@Endii : Did you include the Basegame winnings in your calculation ?

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Endiii
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3rd May. 2020, at 03:11 am CEST#6
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vomvom12 wrote on 04/30/2020 at 03:03 PM
first, i don't understand your question and second, i don't understand your calculation.


the official rtp value comes from the manufacturer and is to be understood more as a richtliene.
so you can assume that you will win more with a game with 97% rtp
as with a game that only has a rtp value of 95%. in the short term the result can be
result can also be different. if you have a big hit after say 200 spins in a game with 95% rtp value
big hit after let's say 200 spins and in the game with 97% you are unlucky and don't get a
no bonus round during the 200 spins and also no big wins in the base game
wins your personal value for the two games is of course completely different.
this can happen but is rather unlikely. the Variance plays of course with so few
so few spins also plays a big role.

how do you come to the rtp of 20%. i mean theoretically that is already
possible but you notice after 50-100 spins at the latest that it does not make sense
makes on such a machine to continue to play


Thanks for the answer, thought rather that also the RTP on a single with high spin number can be considered but as others think this is not possible

Just wanted to know if a casino can cheat, ultimately, they are also only algorithms and at some point it should go in but only theoretically or do I have a thinking error here?

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Endiii
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3rd May. 2020, at 03:13 am CEST#7
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Slot-Hunter wrote on 30.04.2020 at 09:43: @Endii : Did you include Basegame winnings in your calculation ?

@Solt-Hunter: What exactly do you mean by basegame wins?

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G****e

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3rd May. 2020, at 10:38 am CEST#8
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Endiii wrote on 05/03/2020 at 03:13 PM
@Solt-Hunter: What exactly do you mean by Basegame wins?

Well if you spin for example with 0,20 cents and win 0,40 cents in one spin. Counts as a win

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Anonym

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3rd May. 2020, at 02:42 pm CEST#9
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Endiii wrote on 04/29/2020 at 4:30 pm: Hallos Gamblejoe members,

So speaking 2300 spins at 250 euros is there arithmetically 20% rtp ok?

Yes it is. Another one scores 5% and the next one 2000%. If you add up everything comes out about 96% or so. Benefits you as a player who goes out with 80% loss of course a shit. But that's the way it is.

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