Bone wrote on 09/29/2018 at 18:32: Either this is the biggest cartel case in human history with several thousand companies involved, or casinos don't cheat and gamblers continue to underestimate mathematics and thus arrive at other explanations that may seem simple but logically would not be feasible at all.
Good contribution! But something like this would be possible, but why then include heavy, devastating loss periods. If I would program something like that (not random), then hardly any players would complain and despite losses, players would leave their sessions happy. People wouldn't even really feel their losses. With all the data, if you have money and manpower, you could certainly do a lot of things. If the boxes were as rigged as some here think, believe me, they would be the coolest games ever.
And that it runs everywhere on some days, that is called a lucky streak. Everyone who plays long enough will have experienced that from time to time. But something like that is very rare. Everyone who plays Roulette for a long time and always bets on the 17, will eventually catch a day where 2 times in a row the 17 comes. If you let the wins stand, that would be a Win factor of over 1,000x. Such things happen from time to time but most of the time you lose. Gambling just ...
To find out whether the payout ratio is correct, it is actually enough to register at Videoslots, play a certain game intensively over a longer period of time and then look at your personal payout ratio under MyRtp.
In many other Online Casinos, you can also view your game results for each individual spin, transfer them to a table and calculate the RTP yourself.
I don't understand the endless discussions on this topic, since everyone can understand it for themselves. At Videoslots it is relatively easy and at many other casinos it is also possible, but it is very time-consuming.
Such transparency currently only exists in online casinos, which means that online casinos are in principle the safest place for gambling (as far as the payout ratio and the possibility of Manipulation are concerned). Sorry that I have to write this, but it's a fact!
Neither in gambling houses, nor in casinos you have such a high transparency. In German casinos not even the RTP of the different games is given. In gambling houses, not even a certain payout ratio is prescribed by law, meaning that if something were to be manipulated here or not run according to the random principle, it would even be legally okay in my opinion. Only taxes may not be evaded and restrictions may not be lifted. So much for "gaming arcades are safe and are so strictly monitored".
@ bones ...find your contributions in this forum with the best and most real ...Continue so ...I read with pleasure!
@ stkrie ...I'm really waiting for the day when you finally provide tangible evidence, which confirms your frustration towards the OC's ... evidence of Manipulation etc...?
Have a nice weekend everyone !
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In general, everything written here is true.
In the end, the casinos already have a perfect system.
This is only not called fraud because the player agrees that he is mathematically at a disadvantage and voluntarily accepts this offer.
I can also imagine that the RTP of 95% is largely respected.
But this would also work if not everything happens completely by chance.
Whether you believe it or not. I have now collected so much data and statistics in the game Extra Chilli that I can prove with probability bordering on certainty a 'memory effect'.
This means that previous events have an influence on subsequent events and my statistics suggest that the system is not completely random.
However, I am still within the normal range of RTP and AQ and thus within the manufacturer's specifications.
And here comes the clou: Even if the AQ is actually fulfilled, it says little about whether therefore a real coincidence is actually given.
But what is the point if the AQ is complied with in spite of everything? That brings very much.
Because you can prevent the wins from being too high or a winning streak from lasting too long. In addition, you could create a profile of the player by means of player tracking. So you can pay out higher wins to players who are already in the red for a short time. This can also be done for players who tend to gamble away their money anyway.
There are many ways to use this and even though the RTP may be right in the end.
I myself don't know if it is really like that. And I am also with you in your arguments. But you should also think a little further and consider the possibility that it could all work quite differently than we are always made aware.
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Random wrote on 09/29/2018 at 23:45: In general, everything written here is true.
The bottom line is that casinos already have a perfect system.
This is only not called cheating because the player agrees that he is mathematically at a disadvantage and voluntarily accepts this offer.
I can also imagine that the RTP of 95% is largely respected.
But this would also work if not everything happens completely by chance.
Whether you believe it or not. I have now collected so much data and statistics in the game Extra Chilli that I can prove with probability bordering on certainty a 'memory effect'.
This means that previous events have an influence on subsequent events and my statistics suggest that the system is not completely random.
However, I am still within the normal range of RTP and AQ and thus within the manufacturer's specifications.
And here comes the clou: Even if the AQ is actually fulfilled, it says little about whether therefore a real coincidence is actually given.
But what is the point if the AQ is complied with in spite of everything? That brings very much.
Because you can prevent the wins from being too high or a winning streak from lasting too long. In addition, one could create a profile of the player by means of player tracking. So you can pay out higher wins to players who are already in the red for a short time. This can also be done for players who tend to gamble away their money anyway.
There are many ways to use this and even though the RTP may be right in the end.
I myself don't know if it is really like that. And I am also with you in your arguments. But you should also think a little further and consider the possibility that it could all work quite differently than we are always made aware.
You are not so wrong. Another user and I have posted it here in the forum before, but neither the one nor the other "side" here seems to be interested in considering a few facts on the subject. In the forum Casinomeister there is the thread Ask me anything (about slots)! in which a game developer stands question and answer and there so some omits. The slots are not manipulated and there is no cheating, there is simply a range where you can adjust the RTP. From 85% to 95 or how much the maximum is in the respective slot can be set. The casinos have this lever and also apply it. Of course, everything is controlled by software and the bottom line is that the RTP is also respected but the players are manipulated, not the slots. The bad thing is that people do not realize what is really happening and think the slots are manipulated, but they are manipulated themselves...
This is common practice and is agreed between the manufacturers and the casinos and controlled by software, no one has to initiate some kind of fraud or manipulate anything, there is simply the chance something on the jumps helped. The players are manipulated so far that they leave as much money in the casino as possible. Everyone still has the chance to win something, but profiles are created, evaluated with algorithms and a scheme is applied. All these processes are optimized more and more and that's why they work much better than a few years ago, which is why the "frequent gamblers" also notice that something is different, but they haven't figured out what it is. Someone who gambles from time to time does not even notice what happened and wins sometimes loses sometimes, maybe a little more often, but it is actually as always. The people who constantly sit in front of the box of course notice that there are no real winning series as in the past and only the money rattles in and they are just victims of the digitalized casinos. Because who can constantly get coal also has more and that hits the system fully, for the casino and the manufacturers but no longer for the player. The topic could now be continued, even with player status, etc. but that is beyond the scope here.
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Very comprehensibly written. Let's move away from the direct Manipulation by the IP of the game manufacturer.
But there is still the open question of whether this would be possible in principle.
An IT expert would be needed....
Whether the margin is not even larger, I would rather suspect.
Something at least between 70-95%.
The only question is, where are the controls?
Of course it remains fraud. It is nowhere shown that OC have a certain choice of AQ.
If instead of 1000 winning tickets I throw only 800 into a Pot, but offer 1000, then this is nothing more
than fraud, because the true probability of winning is obscured or worsened!
Also makes sense that frequent players must get fewer wins. These are usually addicted, and do not need to be kept
actually not be held at the rod. They do that anyway by themselves
Also think that it is similar with payouts. This behavior is carefully analyzed. Does he remain steadfast with
Delays? Does he cancel often or even always?
I can also give more wins to permanent cancelers. They will gamble away everything again anyway, and look for the blame with themselves.
P.S. Addicts are not interested in facts.
Is the same with smokers and drinkers!
@Sweep
I don't reply to your inane frustration comments anymore, in case you haven't noticed!
I no longer gamble, so I have no frustration.
Müsstest meanwhile even you have understood!
And I'm still waiting for the day when you provide me with solid evidence that casinos don't cheat...
So much naivety in one pile - unbelievable!
stkrie wrote on 30.09.2018 at 02:30: I no longer gamble, so I have no frustration.
Should have understood by now even you!
Here I really have to get rid of something. @stkrie you are very well frustrated. Each of your comments here in the forum is dripping with frustration! And why do you hang around 24/7 here in the forum if you no longer gamble? If I didn't gamble anymore, I would devote myself to other things and not spend 24/7 on my former vice.
So I don't believe a word you say about not gambling anymore, and I highly doubt you're working either. I also don't believe you anymore that you believe the garbage you keep saying here. You are certainly a gambling addict Hartz4ler still actively gambles and his frustration here ablässt. Find a hobby, go to a psychiatrist. You're just annoying!
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I have rarely read so much nonsense in one pile. And that is almost an art.
Why I am where and how long is nobody's business. Least of all you!
Especially since I have already explained it, so use the search function.
I am totally frustrated, oh yes. Extremely. You as a hobby psychologist by means of remote diagnosis
can say that with certainty. And that without even knowing me.
Respect!
And where is the contribution to the topic here now?
And whether you think that I no longer gamble, I'm so of no concern, that you believe
You do not believe
I am actually Hartz-4.
How do you know that?
Have we already met at the employment office?
So much stupidity I have rarely read, lol
Still just read a few posts from you. Smart looks different!
The question of why gambling should be banned is the hammer
A gambling addict Hartz-4ler, ha ha.
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Sweep88 wrote on 09/29/2018 at 22:31: @ bones ...find your posts on this forum some of the best and most real ...Keep up the good work ...I love reading !
@ stkrie ...I'm really waiting for the day when you finally provide tangible evidence, confirming your frustration towards OC's ... evidence of Manipulation etc...?
Have a nice weekend everyone !
Thanks Sweep for your assessment of bones comments, had to laugh heartily .
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Maybe also in love <3
Or just a level.
Whether that is now a
Reason to celebrate, well...:-P
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stkrie wrote on 09/30/2018 02:30 PM
@Sweep
I don't reply to your inane frustration comments anymore, in case you haven't noticed!
I do not gamble anymore, so I have no frustration.
Müsstest meanwhile even you have understood!
And I'm still waiting for the day when you provide me with solid evidence that casinos don't cheat...
So much naivety in one pile - unbelievable!
yes and as you write, one simply notices that what is wrong with you !!!!
Do not know where all your hubris comes from ?
And you constantly user angehst the times against you what say or write or have a different view of things !
Maybe you suffer from a profile neurosis? ...
Since your strong need for recognition here is already very noticeable ...
Hmmm...I'm not in love with bones ...the part I leave to you
from Knochen come in any case not so insulting comments and that makes him just more sympathetic ...
@berserkertobi ... Give the absolutely right!!!
But find it funny when from stkrie is now added again ...:-D
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Good contribution! But something like this would be possible, but why then include heavy, devastating loss periods. If I would program something like that (not random), then hardly any players would complain and despite losses, players would leave their sessions happy. People wouldn't even really feel their losses. With all the data, if you have money and manpower, you could certainly do a lot of things. If the boxes were as rigged as some here think, believe me, they would be the coolest games ever.
And that it runs everywhere on some days, that is called a lucky streak. Everyone who plays long enough will have experienced that from time to time. But something like that is very rare. Everyone who plays Roulette for a long time and always bets on the 17, will eventually catch a day where 2 times in a row the 17 comes. If you let the wins stand, that would be a Win factor of over 1,000x. Such things happen from time to time but most of the time you lose. Gambling just ...
To find out whether the payout ratio is correct, it is actually enough to register at Videoslots, play a certain game intensively over a longer period of time and then look at your personal payout ratio under MyRtp.
In many other Online Casinos, you can also view your game results for each individual spin, transfer them to a table and calculate the RTP yourself.
I don't understand the endless discussions on this topic, since everyone can understand it for themselves. At Videoslots it is relatively easy and at many other casinos it is also possible, but it is very time-consuming.
Such transparency currently only exists in online casinos, which means that online casinos are in principle the safest place for gambling (as far as the payout ratio and the possibility of Manipulation are concerned). Sorry that I have to write this, but it's a fact!
Neither in gambling houses, nor in casinos you have such a high transparency. In German casinos not even the RTP of the different games is given. In gambling houses, not even a certain payout ratio is prescribed by law, meaning that if something were to be manipulated here or not run according to the random principle, it would even be legally okay in my opinion. Only taxes may not be evaded and restrictions may not be lifted. So much for "gaming arcades are safe and are so strictly monitored".
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@ stkrie ...I'm really waiting for the day when you finally provide tangible evidence, which confirms your frustration towards the OC's ... evidence of Manipulation etc...?
Have a nice weekend everyone !
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In the end, the casinos already have a perfect system.
This is only not called fraud because the player agrees that he is mathematically at a disadvantage and voluntarily accepts this offer.
I can also imagine that the RTP of 95% is largely respected.
But this would also work if not everything happens completely by chance.
Whether you believe it or not. I have now collected so much data and statistics in the game Extra Chilli that I can prove with probability bordering on certainty a 'memory effect'.
This means that previous events have an influence on subsequent events and my statistics suggest that the system is not completely random.
However, I am still within the normal range of RTP and AQ and thus within the manufacturer's specifications.
And here comes the clou: Even if the AQ is actually fulfilled, it says little about whether therefore a real coincidence is actually given.
But what is the point if the AQ is complied with in spite of everything? That brings very much.
Because you can prevent the wins from being too high or a winning streak from lasting too long. In addition, you could create a profile of the player by means of player tracking. So you can pay out higher wins to players who are already in the red for a short time. This can also be done for players who tend to gamble away their money anyway.
There are many ways to use this and even though the RTP may be right in the end.
I myself don't know if it is really like that. And I am also with you in your arguments. But you should also think a little further and consider the possibility that it could all work quite differently than we are always made aware.
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You are not so wrong. Another user and I have posted it here in the forum before, but neither the one nor the other "side" here seems to be interested in considering a few facts on the subject. In the forum Casinomeister there is the thread Ask me anything (about slots)! in which a game developer stands question and answer and there so some omits. The slots are not manipulated and there is no cheating, there is simply a range where you can adjust the RTP. From 85% to 95 or how much the maximum is in the respective slot can be set. The casinos have this lever and also apply it. Of course, everything is controlled by software and the bottom line is that the RTP is also respected but the players are manipulated, not the slots. The bad thing is that people do not realize what is really happening and think the slots are manipulated, but they are manipulated themselves...
This is common practice and is agreed between the manufacturers and the casinos and controlled by software, no one has to initiate some kind of fraud or manipulate anything, there is simply the chance something on the jumps helped. The players are manipulated so far that they leave as much money in the casino as possible. Everyone still has the chance to win something, but profiles are created, evaluated with algorithms and a scheme is applied. All these processes are optimized more and more and that's why they work much better than a few years ago, which is why the "frequent gamblers" also notice that something is different, but they haven't figured out what it is. Someone who gambles from time to time does not even notice what happened and wins sometimes loses sometimes, maybe a little more often, but it is actually as always. The people who constantly sit in front of the box of course notice that there are no real winning series as in the past and only the money rattles in and they are just victims of the digitalized casinos. Because who can constantly get coal also has more and that hits the system fully, for the casino and the manufacturers but no longer for the player. The topic could now be continued, even with player status, etc. but that is beyond the scope here.
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But there is still the open question of whether this would be possible in principle.
An IT expert would be needed....
Whether the margin is not even larger, I would rather suspect.
Something at least between 70-95%.
The only question is, where are the controls?
Of course it remains fraud. It is nowhere shown that OC have a certain choice of AQ.
If instead of 1000 winning tickets I throw only 800 into a Pot, but offer 1000, then this is nothing more
than fraud, because the true probability of winning is obscured or worsened!
Also makes sense that frequent players must get fewer wins. These are usually addicted, and do not need to be kept
actually not be held at the rod. They do that anyway by themselves
Also think that it is similar with payouts. This behavior is carefully analyzed. Does he remain steadfast with
Delays? Does he cancel often or even always?
I can also give more wins to permanent cancelers. They will gamble away everything again anyway, and look for the blame with themselves.
P.S. Addicts are not interested in facts.
Is the same with smokers and drinkers!
@Sweep
I don't reply to your inane frustration comments anymore, in case you haven't noticed!
I no longer gamble, so I have no frustration.
Müsstest meanwhile even you have understood!
And I'm still waiting for the day when you provide me with solid evidence that casinos don't cheat...
So much naivety in one pile - unbelievable!
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Here I really have to get rid of something. @stkrie you are very well frustrated. Each of your comments here in the forum is dripping with frustration! And why do you hang around 24/7 here in the forum if you no longer gamble? If I didn't gamble anymore, I would devote myself to other things and not spend 24/7 on my former vice.
So I don't believe a word you say about not gambling anymore, and I highly doubt you're working either. I also don't believe you anymore that you believe the garbage you keep saying here. You are certainly a gambling addict Hartz4ler still actively gambles and his frustration here ablässt. Find a hobby, go to a psychiatrist. You're just annoying!
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Why I am where and how long is nobody's business. Least of all you!
Especially since I have already explained it, so use the search function.
I am totally frustrated, oh yes. Extremely. You as a hobby psychologist by means of remote diagnosis
can say that with certainty. And that without even knowing me.
Respect!
And where is the contribution to the topic here now?
And whether you think that I no longer gamble, I'm so of no concern, that you believe
You do not believe
I am actually Hartz-4.
How do you know that?
Have we already met at the employment office?
So much stupidity I have rarely read, lol
Still just read a few posts from you. Smart looks different!
The question of why gambling should be banned is the hammer
A gambling addict Hartz-4ler, ha ha.
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Thanks Sweep for your assessment of bones comments, had to laugh heartily .
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Or just a level.
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yes and as you write, one simply notices that what is wrong with you !!!!
Do not know where all your hubris comes from ?
And you constantly user angehst the times against you what say or write or have a different view of things !
Maybe you suffer from a profile neurosis? ...
Since your strong need for recognition here is already very noticeable ...
Hmmm...I'm not in love with bones ...the part I leave to you
from Knochen come in any case not so insulting comments and that makes him just more sympathetic ...
@berserkertobi ... Give the absolutely right!!!
But find it funny when from stkrie is now added again ...:-D
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