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New gaming regulation :-O
13th Nov. 2017, at 04:49 pm CET#1
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Hello all together,
i have read through the new SpielV and have come across some points that make me stuzig.
The Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt may only approve the design of a gaming machine if the following requirements are met
1.The stake may only be in euros or cents; a game begins with the stake of the money, continues with the announcement of the game result and ends with the payment of the win or the Deposit of the stake.
2. The minimum duration of the game is five seconds; the stake may not exceed 0.20 euros and the win may not exceed 2 euros.
3. The sum of the wins minus the stakes may not exceed 400 euros in the course of one hour. Jackpots and other special payments of any kind are excluded.
20 cents maximum bet? Maximum winnings per game 2€? Maximum 400€ per hour?
Book of Ra 5 explorers in free spins....or Linehits... what about it.
This is the ruling for all players in arcades 2018, or have I misunderstood something?
Do you have possibly ne source to the new game regulation? Would possibly be quite interesting.
But if I read through what you have posted, then there has changed in my opinion but hardly anything. The only point that has changed is "maximum 400€ / hour". Otherwise, everything is as before. Previously, you could win a maximum of 500 € / hour.
So far it is so that every 5 seconds 20 cents are booked from the money store to the point store. Then you don't play with money, but with points, which you accumulate by waiting. The booking process counts as a game. The stake of 20 cents per game is thus respected.
With the wins it is so far in such a way that if you achieve now with Book of Ra for example a Linehit of 1,000€, then that is yes 1,000 points and not euro. And these are transferred, if you want to pay out the money in €2 steps from the points in the money store and when €500 are reached, then the Slot machine makes a booking pause. In the future, the slot machine will pause just at 400€. This is the only difference.
Really great Player protection again! Players can now pay out 100€ less per hour and have to wait longer. In the waiting time, other machines are fed and the win is gambled away again.
As I said, I see only a minimal change to the detriment of players and it was achieved the opposite of player protection. Probably that is even intentionally so. After all, gambling experts sit together (with lobbyists?) and work out such models. And everyone who has only dealt with the matter for a millimeter knows that this can in no way be beneficial to player protection. After all, this is not rocket science.
1.The game stake may only be in euros or cents; a game begins with the stake of the money, continues with the announcement of the result of the game and ends with the payment of the winnings or the cancellation of the stake.
I have completely overlooked this point. Ok, if this really leads to the fact that the conversion into points is no longer possible, then this would be the end of the Slot machines and the machines would then really be "entertainment devices with the possibility of winning" what they should actually be
Who would like to play then properly, which must visit then evenly a gaming house or evenly in respectable on-line Casinos play. As a gambler, you should stay away from slot machines in pubs, gambling houses, etc. anyway, because the payout ratios and winning opportunities are so reduced that, in principle, no Risk-adequate winnings are possible.
However, I think that the manufacturers will find ways to circumvent these laws. They are quite creative. Otherwise, there are just slimmed down variants of the games, where you then only play with 20 cents and can achieve a maximum of 400 € through free spins or a line win. Or you can do it via action games or something else.
Dokado1212 wrote on 11/13/2017 at 9:19 pm: I think the operators don't have it so easy anymore.
Sure the halls are still full, but when I think about what went down before.
Smoking was allowed .... Now it hasn't been for years.
At that time, you could still pick up money in the Spielo ... No longer.
Drinks are also no longer free...
Always probably less equipment per hall...
If then still the player card comes, it was that with several machines play.
I think that the player volume is thereby reduced, if clearly the hardcore gamblers continue to play.
So I come from Rhineland-Palatinate and there smoking is still allowed, drinks are also still free, every quarter hour the women come over and offer you snacks, sweets and also cigarettes and what else, since I have to do professionally much in the gaming arcades I noticed that many women play in the morning until noon and so about 16.00 clock the men come from work and start. On weekends, everything is generally full and what I still noticed is that many young people 18 or barely older with their girlfriends go gambling, so for new blood is provided and with the new gaming ordinance will's not much change except for one that the players will then win even less and the operators as well as the state will continue to earn vigorously, the Gauselmann has already ensured.
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New gaming regulation :-O
13th Nov. 2017, at 11:40 pm CET#6
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Here's how I see it:
1. You don't believe that the operators of the gambling houses will put up with this. There is an appeal and the whole thing drags on for years.
2. Should the "player card" come, the black market will flourish. Forging ID cards etc. is child's play nowadays with certain technology.
3. If no one goes gambling in the halls anymore and the state loses revenue, the whole thing will be scaled back as quickly as it started.
Remember one thing: We live in capitalism. And when the bigwigs see their wins floating away, they don't shy away from murder and manslaughter.
Dokado1212 wrote on 11/14/2017 at 07:31: As far as I know, it is regulated by state law that drinks should now cost money so that players do not linger so long in the arcade.
On the subject of player cards, I think the masses are certainly not committing a crime just to be able to play on multiple machines.
Technically, it is certainly possible to forge the cards, but the Risk is probably far too high.
Sure, the state would lose a lot of money, but what if the Gambling addiction continues to rise, and more people think about therapy? ... .
I also don't think that players would buy tickets on the black market. I think rather the operators. So in the casino of Bavaria there are so strange cards. I don't know what their purpose is. There are the cards at the entrance and no one complains if you take several cards. Habs extra tested and even asked if it is ok to take several cards. The employee nodded and that was it.
I also think that gambling addiction costs the state more in the long run than the tax revenue it generates. Also, the state casinos are losing players. I think that's reason number one for restricting gambling houses. Player protection is only the second, third or twentieth reason.
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New gaming regulation :-O
14th Nov. 2017, at 12:02 pm CET#9
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So if the points game is banned, it means that you "only" play for Euros, and the maximum bet will be 20 cents per spin.
Interressant I also find the point that a game so a turn must be at least 5 seconds and the maximum stake is set at 20 cents.
The maximum win is set at 2€ per spin!
That can not be or, enclosed the excerpt from the SpielV with source, note point 2.
The Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt may only approve the design of a gaming machine if the following requirements are met:
1.
The stake may only be in euros or cents; a game begins with the stake of the money, continues with the announcement of the game result and ends with the payment of the win or the Deposit of the stake.
2.
The minimum duration of the game is five seconds; the stake may not exceed 0.20 euros and the win may not exceed 2 euros.
3.
If the interval between two bets is extended beyond five seconds up to a maximum of 75 seconds, the bet may be increased by a maximum of 0.03 Euro per full second; if the interval between two winnings payments is extended beyond five seconds up to a maximum of 75 seconds, the win may be increased by a maximum of 0.30 Euro per full second. Increases of stake and win beyond this are excluded.
4.
The sum of losses (stakes minus wins) may not exceed 60 euros in the course of one hour.
5.
The sum of the wins minus the stakes may not exceed 400 euros in the course of one hour. Jackpots and other special payments of any kind are excluded.
6.
After one hour of gaming, the gaming machine shall take a break from gaming of at least five minutes, during which no bets shall be accepted and no wins shall be awarded. During the break, no gaming operations, wager-free or winnings-free trial or demonstration games, or other animations may be offered.
6a.
After three hours of gaming operation, the gaming device shall enter a gaming pause during which it shall be placed in the idle state for at least five minutes; at the beginning of the idle state, the money stores shall be emptied and all display elements shall be set to the predefined initial values.
7.
The storage of money amounts in bet and win memories is limited to 10 euros in total when money is accepted from the player. Higher amounts are paid out automatically immediately after they are stored. A control device for the player, with which he can set in advance that posted amounts are used without influence, is not permitted. Each bet may only be triggered by a separate physical action by the player immediately beforehand. There shall be a non-lockable operating device for the payout, with which the player may unrestrictedly dispose of the posted amounts, which in total are greater than or equal to the maximum stake according to number 1.
8.
The gaming operation may only be carried out with coins and banknotes denominated in euros and only directly at the gaming device.
8a.
In the case of multi-user gaming machines, the individual gaming areas must be usable independently of one another and each gaming area must meet the requirements of §§ 12 and 13, insofar as these are permissible at all under Land law; the design approval of a multi-user gaming machine shall not give rise to any entitlement to the installation of the multi-user gaming machine.
8b.
Multi-user playground equipment may have a maximum of four play areas; individual play areas may not be parkable.
9.
The gaming device shall include a control device that records all stakes, wins and cash contents in a timely, direct and readable manner. The control device shall ensure the limitations set forth in numbers 1 to 5, first sentence, and number 6a.
9a.
The gaming machine shall permanently record, in accordance with the state of the art, the data recorded by the control device pursuant to Number 8 in such a way that a)
they are electronically available, readable and analyzable at all times,
b)
they can be traced back to the generating gaming device,
c)
the individual data are linked to the time at which they were generated,
d)
their completeness is recognizable, and
e)
it can be determined whether changes have been made subsequently.
10.
Gaming operation may only be possible with the constant use of a valid device-based means of identification that is not linked to a person, whereby a)
the validity of the means of identification used must be checked by the gaming device prior to the commencement of gaming operations, and
b)
no data may be stored on the means of identification used during gaming operations.
11.
The gaming device and its components must be built reliably and secured against modification in accordance with the state of the art.
12. The gaming device must be constructed in such a way that the conformity of the replica devices with the approved design can be checked.
The law must be implemented by November 2018 at the latest. This means that as of November 2018, there will no longer be any vending machines with the old approval. If the law is applied in practice and the manufacturers do not find any loopholes, then this is a major blow to the vending industry.
The only really positive thing is that only 1 machine is allowed in restaurants. Whereby I would rather be, if in restaurants 0 automats may stand and for it in gaming houses better Gewinnmöglichtkeiten and fewer restrictions. In my opinion, this would at least prevent new illnesses. Either one runs a pub or a gambling hall. And if a pub doesn't run without machines, then in my opinion it has no reason to exist.
New gaming regulation :-O
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i have read through the new SpielV and have come across some points that make me stuzig.
The Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt may only approve the design of a gaming machine if the following requirements are met
1.The stake may only be in euros or cents; a game begins with the stake of the money, continues with the announcement of the game result and ends with the payment of the win or the Deposit of the stake.
2. The minimum duration of the game is five seconds; the stake may not exceed 0.20 euros and the win may not exceed 2 euros.
3. The sum of the wins minus the stakes may not exceed 400 euros in the course of one hour. Jackpots and other special payments of any kind are excluded.
20 cents maximum bet? Maximum winnings per game 2€? Maximum 400€ per hour?
Book of Ra 5 explorers in free spins....or Linehits... what about it.
This is the ruling for all players in arcades 2018, or have I misunderstood something?
Kind regards.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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Do you have possibly ne source to the new game regulation? Would possibly be quite interesting.
But if I read through what you have posted, then there has changed in my opinion but hardly anything. The only point that has changed is "maximum 400€ / hour". Otherwise, everything is as before. Previously, you could win a maximum of 500 € / hour.
So far it is so that every 5 seconds 20 cents are booked from the money store to the point store. Then you don't play with money, but with points, which you accumulate by waiting. The booking process counts as a game. The stake of 20 cents per game is thus respected.
With the wins it is so far in such a way that if you achieve now with Book of Ra for example a Linehit of 1,000€, then that is yes 1,000 points and not euro. And these are transferred, if you want to pay out the money in €2 steps from the points in the money store and when €500 are reached, then the Slot machine makes a booking pause. In the future, the slot machine will pause just at 400€. This is the only difference.
Really great Player protection again! Players can now pay out 100€ less per hour and have to wait longer. In the waiting time, other machines are fed and the win is gambled away again.
As I said, I see only a minimal change to the detriment of players and it was achieved the opposite of player protection. Probably that is even intentionally so. After all, gambling experts sit together (with lobbyists?) and work out such models. And everyone who has only dealt with the matter for a millimeter knows that this can in no way be beneficial to player protection. After all, this is not rocket science.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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I have completely overlooked this point. Ok, if this really leads to the fact that the conversion into points is no longer possible, then this would be the end of the Slot machines and the machines would then really be "entertainment devices with the possibility of winning" what they should actually be
Who would like to play then properly, which must visit then evenly a gaming house or evenly in respectable on-line Casinos play. As a gambler, you should stay away from slot machines in pubs, gambling houses, etc. anyway, because the payout ratios and winning opportunities are so reduced that, in principle, no Risk-adequate winnings are possible.
What this means for players can be read in our guide section under Slots & Slot Games: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/
However, I think that the manufacturers will find ways to circumvent these laws. They are quite creative. Otherwise, there are just slimmed down variants of the games, where you then only play with 20 cents and can achieve a maximum of 400 € through free spins or a line win. Or you can do it via action games or something else.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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Sure, the halls are still full, but when I think about what went down before.
Smoking was allowed .... Now it hasn't been for years.
At that time, you could still pick up money in the Spielo ... No longer.
Drinks are also no longer free...
Always probably less equipment per hall...
If then still the player card comes, it was that with several machines play.
I think that the player volume is thereby reduced, if clearly the hardcore gamblers continue to play.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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So I come from Rhineland-Palatinate and there smoking is still allowed, drinks are also still free, every quarter hour the women come over and offer you snacks, sweets and also cigarettes and what else, since I have to do professionally much in the gaming arcades I noticed that many women play in the morning until noon and so about 16.00 clock the men come from work and start. On weekends, everything is generally full and what I still noticed is that many young people 18 or barely older with their girlfriends go gambling, so for new blood is provided and with the new gaming ordinance will's not much change except for one that the players will then win even less and the operators as well as the state will continue to earn vigorously, the Gauselmann has already ensured.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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1. You don't believe that the operators of the gambling houses will put up with this. There is an appeal and the whole thing drags on for years.
2. Should the "player card" come, the black market will flourish. Forging ID cards etc. is child's play nowadays with certain technology.
3. If no one goes gambling in the halls anymore and the state loses revenue, the whole thing will be scaled back as quickly as it started.
Remember one thing: We live in capitalism. And when the bigwigs see their wins floating away, they don't shy away from murder and manslaughter.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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On the subject of player cards, I think that the masses are certainly not committing a crime just to be able to play on several machines.
Technically, it is certainly possible to forge the cards, but the Risk is probably far too high.
Sure, the state would lose a lot of money, but what if the Gambling addiction continues to rise, and more people think about a therapy! ... .
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I also don't think that players would buy tickets on the black market. I think rather the operators. So in the casino of Bavaria there are so strange cards. I don't know what their purpose is. There are the cards at the entrance and no one complains if you take several cards. Habs extra tested and even asked if it is ok to take several cards. The employee nodded and that was it.
I also think that gambling addiction costs the state more in the long run than the tax revenue it generates. Also, the state casinos are losing players. I think that's reason number one for restricting gambling houses. Player protection is only the second, third or twentieth reason.
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New gaming regulation :-O
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Interressant I also find the point that a game so a turn must be at least 5 seconds and the maximum stake is set at 20 cents.
The maximum win is set at 2€ per spin!
That can not be or, enclosed the excerpt from the SpielV with source, note point 2.
The Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt may only approve the design of a gaming machine if the following requirements are met:
1.
The stake may only be in euros or cents; a game begins with the stake of the money, continues with the announcement of the game result and ends with the payment of the win or the Deposit of the stake.
2.
The minimum duration of the game is five seconds; the stake may not exceed 0.20 euros and the win may not exceed 2 euros.
3.
If the interval between two bets is extended beyond five seconds up to a maximum of 75 seconds, the bet may be increased by a maximum of 0.03 Euro per full second; if the interval between two winnings payments is extended beyond five seconds up to a maximum of 75 seconds, the win may be increased by a maximum of 0.30 Euro per full second. Increases of stake and win beyond this are excluded.
4.
The sum of losses (stakes minus wins) may not exceed 60 euros in the course of one hour.
5.
The sum of the wins minus the stakes may not exceed 400 euros in the course of one hour. Jackpots and other special payments of any kind are excluded.
6.
After one hour of gaming, the gaming machine shall take a break from gaming of at least five minutes, during which no bets shall be accepted and no wins shall be awarded. During the break, no gaming operations, wager-free or winnings-free trial or demonstration games, or other animations may be offered.
6a.
After three hours of gaming operation, the gaming device shall enter a gaming pause during which it shall be placed in the idle state for at least five minutes; at the beginning of the idle state, the money stores shall be emptied and all display elements shall be set to the predefined initial values.
7.
The storage of money amounts in bet and win memories is limited to 10 euros in total when money is accepted from the player. Higher amounts are paid out automatically immediately after they are stored. A control device for the player, with which he can set in advance that posted amounts are used without influence, is not permitted. Each bet may only be triggered by a separate physical action by the player immediately beforehand. There shall be a non-lockable operating device for the payout, with which the player may unrestrictedly dispose of the posted amounts, which in total are greater than or equal to the maximum stake according to number 1.
8.
The gaming operation may only be carried out with coins and banknotes denominated in euros and only directly at the gaming device.
8a.
In the case of multi-user gaming machines, the individual gaming areas must be usable independently of one another and each gaming area must meet the requirements of §§ 12 and 13, insofar as these are permissible at all under Land law; the design approval of a multi-user gaming machine shall not give rise to any entitlement to the installation of the multi-user gaming machine.
8b.
Multi-user playground equipment may have a maximum of four play areas; individual play areas may not be parkable.
9.
The gaming device shall include a control device that records all stakes, wins and cash contents in a timely, direct and readable manner. The control device shall ensure the limitations set forth in numbers 1 to 5, first sentence, and number 6a.
9a.
The gaming machine shall permanently record, in accordance with the state of the art, the data recorded by the control device pursuant to Number 8 in such a way that a)
they are electronically available, readable and analyzable at all times,
b)
they can be traced back to the generating gaming device,
c)
the individual data are linked to the time at which they were generated,
d)
their completeness is recognizable, and
e)
it can be determined whether changes have been made subsequently.
10.
Gaming operation may only be possible with the constant use of a valid device-based means of identification that is not linked to a person, whereby a)
the validity of the means of identification used must be checked by the gaming device prior to the commencement of gaming operations, and
b)
no data may be stored on the means of identification used during gaming operations.
11.
The gaming device and its components must be built reliably and secured against modification in accordance with the state of the art.
12.
The gaming device must be constructed in such a way that the conformity of the replica devices with the approved design can be checked.
Source: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/spielv/BJNR001530962.html#BJNR001530962BJNG000603377
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The only really positive thing is that only 1 machine is allowed in restaurants. Whereby I would rather be, if in restaurants 0 automats may stand and for it in gaming houses better Gewinnmöglichtkeiten and fewer restrictions. In my opinion, this would at least prevent new illnesses. Either one runs a pub or a gambling hall. And if a pub doesn't run without machines, then in my opinion it has no reason to exist.
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