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Landbased Casinos in general: Gambling house - Small stake - High stake (Page 2)

Topic created on 08th Jun. 2018 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 25 | Views: 17,289
Knochen
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Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

9th Jun. 2018, at 02:54 pm CEST#11
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In the Spielo, I think everyone loses mostly anyway. I used to spend a lot of time there. I started mostly on 20-40ct and then increased quite quickly. When the money was less I always played 5-10ct and can't remember that I really won once. On the contrary, once I had 3€ on the machine and had already spent almost 100€ in total. Then I played Sizzling Hot on 5ct and it didn't really come up with anything. When I was at 2€ I didn't want to play anymore and set it to 50ct, pressed autostart and got up, put on my jacket and packed my cigarettes. Then came first a 10€ picture and then it went on, changed game a few times and finally I had 160 free spins in Sissi on 1.50€ and have 500€ paid out and the rest thanks to the booking break again gambled away. Since then, however, really nothing went.

I have talked about the topic with a Spielo employee. He said he thinks it's crazy what superstition is in the hall. He has seen it so often that a player has won big and the machine was then avoided by all other players because he has already paid out. Then someone new came into the hall, knew nothing about it and won again on the same machine.

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Anonym

Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

9th Jun. 2018, at 03:52 pm CEST#12
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I just wanted to say that such a thing is possible in principle, because it is already used in games with the Loot Box System.

We are also surrounded by algorithms in other areas of life, for example the emissions scandal. Why not there ? I have no proof and this is not an accusation against casinos. It is nevertheless within the realm of possibility

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Knochen
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Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

9th Jun. 2018, at 03:59 pm CEST#13
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Yes, an algorithm that evaluates the player behavior would be quite possible and there are also some theories that are based on the fact that you would win if you first press something back and forth on the machine, constantly change games and so pretend to be a new player. I don't believe in that to be honest. I rather think that someone who has not played much yet evaluates wins quite differently. The first time I played a Slot machine was when I was 15 in the back room of a bar. We were allowed to smoke and drink there so I thought gambling would be okay too. I threw something between 2-3€ into the machine and on 5 or 10ct bet I think I had 4 statues at BOR, I'm not sure anymore. Anyway, I cashed out 11€ and then got mega the Anschiss that I'm actually not allowed to play. With the 11€ I went to the cinema the same evening and a buddy of mine said that the machine would have been "open". I still have pictures on my old phone, I have photographed how I bring 80 € to the payout, because that was awesome. A few years later, I would never have paid out 11 €.

Edit: Whereby I had just today again such an experience! My coffee pods were empty so I went to Kisok/Cafe/Bar around the corner and got myself a coffee and threw the rest of the money into a Merkur machine. I threw 3,10€ in and got 6€ out. Was in the meantime even on 7.50 €. I only cashed out because my cigarette was used up. Unforgettable remain the 7 Wild Leo free spins on 20ct bet which have brought me "0 points".

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Daniel
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9th Jun. 2018, at 04:07 pm CEST#14
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Spielothek and casinos / Caisnos / Online Casinos are something completely different. Spielothek is not even properly defined as gambling. They are "entertainment devices with the possibility of winning". Payout ratios do not have to be published or there is no AQ. Machine producers have a lot of leeway when they produce machines for gaming arcades and restaurants. As long as all taxes are paid, deposits, withdrawals and sales are properly documented (for the tax office) and "player protection" is observed, the machine manufacturers can do whatever they want.

Player protection = 80€ per hour maximum loss per machine, maximum 500€ win per hour, etc

If Merkur decides that they will never let players win in arcades, then a software update comes and instead of losing your average 36€ per hour, you now lose the full 80€ per hour. The manufacturers and the authorities have only agreed that a machine may not take more than 33€ / hour on average. I did not find this law however with my research at that time, why I think that it concerns only rough agreements, which are kept for the sake of the good peace so approximately by the manufacturers. Well but if one may lose also "only" 80€ the hour maximum, since then the break comes, then 33€ or 36€ average loss is also already violently close to a value at which one can win nothing more.

I have written to Merkur, Novomatic, Bally Wulff and the Physikalisch-technische Bundesanstalt (on the subject of payout ratio). Novomatic were the only ones who answered me as follows:

for the approval of a money winning gaming device, the currently valid gaming ordinance stipulates that in the long run a maximum of 33 euros per hour may remain as cash in the gaming device. In contrast to the Gaming Ordinance valid up to and including 2005, the payout ratio of a money-earning gaming machine is no longer the subject of consideration. Therefore, your questions are superfluous.
Yours sincerely

Believe me, Germany is not as safe as many think. Especially in the field of gambling, German legislation is one of the worst in the world. For example, the protection of gamblers is so f**ked up that even the most backward banana republics are scratching their heads. If I lived in Germany in the border area, I would always go to the neighboring country to gamble.

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Anonym

Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

9th Jun. 2018, at 04:51 pm CEST#15
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Knochen wrote on 09.06.2018 at 15:59: Yes an algorithm which evaluates the player behavior would be quite possible and there are also some theories that are based on it you would win if you first press something back and forth on the machine, constantly changing games and so pretends you are a new player. I don't believe in that to be honest. I rather think that someone who has not played much yet evaluates wins quite differently. The first time I played a Slot machine was when I was 15 in the back room of a bar. We were allowed to smoke and drink there so I thought gambling would be okay too. I threw something between 2-3€ into the machine and on 5 or 10ct bet I think I had 4 statues at BOR, I'm not sure anymore. Anyway, I cashed out 11€ and then got mega the Anschiss that I'm actually not allowed to play. With the 11€ I went to the cinema the same evening and a buddy of mine said that the machine would have been "open". I still have pictures on my old cell phone, I have photographed how I bring 80 € to the payout, because that was awesome. A few years later, I would never have paid out 11 €.

Edit: Whereby I just had such an experience again today! My coffee pods were empty so I went to Kisok/Cafe/Bar around the corner and got myself a coffee and threw the rest of the money into a Merkur machine. I threw 3,10€ in and got 6€ out. Was in the meantime even on 7.50 €. I only cashed out because my cigarette was used up. Unforgotten remain the 7 Wild Leo free spins on 20ct bet which have brought me "0 points".

Of course, it was evaluated differently at that time. My, I call it times entrance experience into the addiction, was my third play shop attendance. 5 horses at Knights Life on 5 cents and, nowadays slack, a win of 90 euros. I cashed out immediately and thought it would always work out that way. Went's of course not:D In Hesse, you can lock in all arcades, which I also did 3 years ago. Online I have myself so under control that I gamble away 100 a month and that's it. But now I'm digressing from the topic.

The other day I had to wait in the kebab. 5 euros in the machine and 10 out. Döner was paid:D but when I was recently in Munich on business, I have times 30 euros in a Spielo gambled away and could even play an hour.

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s****e

Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

10th Jun. 2018, at 12:12 am CEST#16
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Knochen wrote on 09.06.2018 at 15:59: Yes an algorithm which evaluates the player behavior would be quite possible and there are also some theories that are based on it you would win if you first press something back and forth on the machine, constantly changing games and so pretends you are a new player. I don't believe in that to be honest. I rather think that someone who has not played much yet evaluates wins quite differently. The first time I played a Slot machine was when I was 15 in the back room of a bar. We were allowed to smoke and drink there so I thought gambling would be okay too. I threw something between 2-3€ into the machine and on 5 or 10ct bet I think I had 4 statues at BOR, I'm not sure anymore. Anyway, I cashed out 11€ and then got mega the Anschiss that I'm actually not allowed to play. With the 11€ I went to the cinema the same evening and a buddy of mine said that the machine would have been "open". I still have pictures on my old phone, I have photographed how I bring 80 € to the payout, because that was awesome. A few years later, I would never have paid out 11 €.

Edit: Whereby I just had such an experience again today! My coffee pods were empty so I went to the Kisok/Cafe/Bar around the corner and got myself a coffee and threw the rest of the money into a Merkur machine. I threw 3,10€ in and got 6€ out. Was in the meantime even on 7.50 €. I only cashed out because my cigarette was used up. Unforgotten remain the 7 Wild Leo free spins on 20ct bet which have brought me "0 points".

In Germany it is also forbidden
This is also not a gray area. It is clearly defined in the StGB, which concerns gambling.
It behaves like smoking pot. In case of a small amount, the police will file a criminal complaint, even if they know
they know that it is actually nonsense.
And only the public prosecutor's office can stop it. Apart from the fact that from then on you are a
Narcotics consumer, and thus at controls are looked at a little more closely.

Gambling is the same. Only that the competence lies here with the customs

The only luck that the gamblers have, is the court decision of the ECJ, which in fact guarantees a certain
Free ride guaranteed
If it should come nevertheless to an announcement, one has a long court way before itself. You will win, but
win, but is associated with a lot of money and nerves.

You are currently showing a fictitious Germany. Should it be allowed, the Player protection must
this also includes the judgment of the ECJ. Should it not be so, lawsuits have a good chance of success
of success

And the advantage is that it is just at the beginning because of certain AGB `s, bonus rules, Verifilationen or not pay out to a lot of
Fundamental judgements come. And that is exactly the advantage of Germany, a short legal action, without gambling in a gray area.
Therefore, I do not see it as negatively as you do. If Germany doesn't do it, the courts will have to do it
Courts do it.

I could also imagine that exactly for this reason a lot of maltacasinos will stay down there and offer their services from there as before
offer their services as before. Exactly for the reasons mentioned. I don't think you should have any illusions about that

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Anonym

Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

10th Jun. 2018, at 01:28 am CEST#17
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So all I have to do is go to game stores and pretend I'm a beginner, right?
Well then everything is good, I can make fat profit from now on...

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Anonym

Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

10th Jun. 2018, at 10:07 am CEST#18
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Ne the arcade supervisor recognizes whether you are a beginner or not and then flips a switch

Joking aside. I merely said that there is already something like this in other gaming areas and I can well imagine that this is also applied to casinos. No more and no less.

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Sascha666
Amateur

Gambling house - Small stake - High stake

10th Jun. 2018, at 10:19 am CEST#19
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Arcades often bring you a gigantic minus and hardly any fun, I think....
One can make there relatively "easily" from 4€, 10€, but only with difficulty from 100€, 500€, if you understand what I mean.
With high stakes to play there has never been worthwhile for me, so I have also taken distance.
And the free drinks, coffee, etc. bring nothing, because you can win next to 5ct players simply nothing.

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Anonym

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10th Jun. 2018, at 05:34 pm CEST#20
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You should always do some research to find out when the equipment will be emptied.
Usually then also the setting of the Slot machines is changed by the technicians

Ergo -&gt

- Few big wins, so on high stakes
or
- Many small wins, so low stakes.

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