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Landbased Casinos in general: Christmas in arcades . Presents in the year 2023 ? (Page 2)

Topic created on 25th Dec. 2023 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 37 | Views: 3,365
roccoammo11
Expert
i got a bottle of semi-dry sparkling wine & a box of chocolates in the zocke today thought at first because it went like shit like no other.... but no it was my belated christmas present!!!
i was still a bit surprised because only regular customers got it and i don't go there that often...
i've already eaten the chocolate & i'll give the alcohol to my sister tomorrow

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Maria_Sonntag
Amateur

Hightower wrote on 30.12.2023 at 15:07: 15 years ago there was in the Spilo from the boss personally 30DM Eingemünzt and later for each Gewechselten 20DM a lottery ticket, where there were wins from 2DM to 50DM... today there's nothing more, has probably been banned ...I can remember times when, for example, a gambling hall opened there were copons in the newspaper where you were given 10€ in the machine if you changed 10€ yourself to gamble...but the times are over


Yes, coin up, give away money and advertising is now forbidden.

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wettibernd
Expert

Hightower wrote on 30.12.2023 at 15:07: 15 years ago, the boss personally gave 30DM coins in the Spilo and later a lottery ticket for every 20DM exchanged, where there were wins from 2DM to 50DM... today there is nothing more, has probably been banned ...I can remember times when, for example, an arcade opened there were coupons in the newspaper where you were given 10€ in the machine if you changed 10€ yourself to gamble...but those times are over

If it was DM, it was a bit longer than 15 years ago.

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upola
Legend
Netto, Aldi, Edeka etc. also take all the money out of your pocket, there are no presents for Christmas.... If you're lucky you might get a calendar.

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Anonym
As I have been working in one of these *gambling arcades* for a long time, I would like to shed some light on the subject.
Gambling halls are also dependent on the State Treaty on Gambling. This is also adapted from state to state.
For the most part, amusement arcades adhere to these regulations. Anyone can look them up on the Internet.

Drinks may no longer be offered free of charge, but are based on the restaurant prices in the surrounding area. However, many amusement arcades are generous enough to offer their regular guests drinks free of charge or only charge for the occasional drink.
Smoking is now also prohibited inside the arcade in almost all federal states.
Promotional gifts at Christmas, Easter etc. are also prohibited. So the only thing left is attention from the arcade operator. However, I make sure that only our regular guests receive these gifts and not the guests who only drop by once a year for Christmas presents.

Now to talk about the minimum wage. Gambling halls, regardless of their size, are not part of any collective agreement. Either you work for a larger gambling hall operator (Merkur, Admiral or the Löwen Group) and get a reasonably good wage there, as well as a Christmas bonus and vacation pay, or you opt for the small gambling hall operators, where you are fleeced like a Christmas goose. No Bonuses, no pay rise, many don't even pay the minimum wage.

Most gambling halls were not closed because they went bankrupt, but because they had a toleration, which has now expired and the pending court proceedings have been decided (i.e. distance to other gambling halls, kindergarten or school nearby, etc.), which can also be easily read in the State Treaty on Gambling.

Then there is Berlin, for example, which has such strict laws regarding gambling halls that many operators there have closed their doors. Because it is simply no longer profitable to comply with the laws there.

Believe me, there is nothing more annoying for the arcade employee, who always has to justify why why why why... hardly anyone questions certain things why this and that is the case, but always thinks: arcades are all broke, can no longer afford it and are angry because they now have to pay €1 for a drink and complain to the service staff. No major arcade operator likes to take money from you for drinks and only gives you a small gift. If we had our way, we'd turn back time a few years, before Oasis, before TR5 etc. But that's not possible. As a player, you either come to terms with it and live with the restrictions, just like every arcade operator has to do, or you don't do it.
Incidentally, all of these restrictions do not apply in casinos, which may be an alternative for many.

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frapi07
Elite
MightyMelon wrote on 04.01.2024 at 18:40: Since I have been working in one of these *gambling halls* for a long time, I would like to shed some light on the situation.
Gambling halls are also dependent on the State Treaty on Gambling. This is also adapted from state to state.
For the most part, amusement arcades adhere to these regulations. Anyone can look them up on the Internet.

Drinks may no longer be offered free of charge, but are based on the restaurant prices in the surrounding area. However, many amusement arcades are generous enough to offer their regular guests drinks free of charge or only charge for the occasional drink.
Smoking is now also prohibited inside the arcade in almost all federal states.
Promotional gifts at Christmas, Easter etc. are also prohibited. So the only thing left is attention from the arcade operator. However, I make sure that only our regular guests receive these gifts and not the guests who only drop by once a year for Christmas presents.

Now to talk about the minimum wage. Gambling halls, regardless of their size, are not part of any collective agreement. Either you work for a larger gambling hall operator (Merkur, Admiral or the Löwen Group) and get a reasonably good wage there, as well as a Christmas bonus and vacation pay, or you opt for the small gambling hall operators, where you are fleeced like a Christmas goose. No Bonuses, no pay rise, many don't even pay the minimum wage.

Most gambling halls were not closed because they went bankrupt, but because they had a toleration, which has now expired and the pending court proceedings have been decided (i.e. distance to other gambling halls, kindergarten or school nearby, etc.), which can also be easily read in the State Treaty on Gambling.

Then there is Berlin, for example, which has such strict laws regarding gambling halls that many operators there have closed their doors. Because it is simply no longer profitable to comply with the laws there.

Believe me, there is nothing more annoying for the arcade employee, who always has to justify why why why why... hardly anyone questions certain things why this and that is the case, but always thinks: arcades are all broke, can no longer afford it and are angry because they now have to pay €1 for a drink and complain to the service staff. No major arcade operator likes to take money from you for drinks and only gives you a small gift. If we had our way, we'd turn back time a few years, before Oasis, before TR5 etc. But that's not possible. As a player, you either come to terms with it and live with the restrictions, just like every arcade operator has to do, or you don't do it.
Incidentally, all these restrictions do not apply in casinos, which may be an alternative for many.

Very nice and informative answer with a lot of insider knowledge Personally, I would never have believed that none of the big companies are bound by a collective agreement. I personally think that's a shame, because collective agreements are always good At least for the employee hehe

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einspielung
Rookie
Now an extreme example of closed arcades.

In the city of Bayreuth there are currently 9 open halls and 11 closed ones. This can be continued with other cities such as Roding Kulmbach Pfarrkirchen Waldkirchen Oberstdorf.
Since these are cities in the state of Bavaria, where there is no amusement tax and no distance rules to other arcades have to be observed.

Presumably, the many legal measures such as TR. 5 activation, ID control and last but not least the stinginess of the boxes - with game variant LA - and so on are the cause.

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Falko
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einspielung wrote on 05.01.2024 at 12:39: Now an extreme example of closed arcades.

In the city of Bayreuth there are currently 9 open halls and 11 closed ones. This can be continued at will with other cities such as Roding Kulmbach Pfarrkirchen Waldkirchen Oberstdorf.
Since these are cities in the state of Bavaria, where there is no amusement tax and no distance rules to other gambling halls have to be observed.

Presumably, the many legal measures such as TR. 5 activation, ID control and last but not least the stinginess of the boxes - with game variant LA - and so on are the cause.

There is no amusement tax in Bavaria? I never knew that before. So that means that in Bavaria the Slot machines that pay out more have a better RTP because they are taxed less?

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Anonym
Here is an excerpt from the Bavarian State Treaty on Gambling.

A minimum distance of 500 meters as the crow flies measured from entrance door to entrance door to another gaming hall may not be undercut; in deviation from this, the minimum distance for existing gaming halls and those for which the complete initial application for a permit was submitted by 30 June 2017 is 250 meters as the crow flies measured from entrance door to entrance door. The competent licensing authority may allow exceptions to the minimum distance stipulated in sentence 1, taking into account the conditions in the vicinity of the respective location and the situation of the individual case.

Read here:

Bürgerservice - AGGlüStV: Law on the Implementation of the State Treaty on Gambling in Germany (AGGlüStV) dated December 20, 2007 (GVBl. p. 922) BayRS 2187-3-I (Art. 1-16) (gesetze-bayern.de)

Edit by Julian: Formation error when copying has been adjusted

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einspielung
Rookie
As far as is known, existing arcades in Bavaria are protected.

Brand new arcades have the 500 meter rule to other arcades
to the text from Falko:




Falko wrote on 05.01.2024 at 17:36:

There is no entertainment tax in Bavaria? I didn't know that before. That means that in Bavaria the Slot machines that pay out more have a better RTP because they are simply charged less tax?

Surely the boxes do not have a better payout. It just leaves more in the till for the operators.

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einspielung
Rookie
What just struck me:

Christmas Bonuses are rare, but the staff are fleeced like a Christmas goose...

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frapi07
Elite
Well... I haven't had much gaming experience with the machines, but so far it's been the case that the boxes have tended to run poorly. There were days when I was able to post a win, but there were days when I posted losses.

When I won something, I usually put a lot of money in beforehand and with luck I came out with either +- 0 or +50-100€.

If I had losses, it was around €100-€200 or so. I never lost more than that in one day because I never had more with me. The highest amount I had on such a box was around 350€. I had previously lost €200. I never had a day where I walked out of the hall with +500-900.

If the boxes here are "better", then I don't want to imagine what it's like in the other federal states. So my perception tells me that things are going equally badly.

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wettibernd
Expert

Falko wrote on 05.01.2024 at 17:36:

There is no entertainment tax in Bavaria ? I didn't know that before. That means that in Bavaria the Slot machines that pay out more have a better RTP because they are simply burdened with less tax?

Amusement tax is a local tax, so each city or municipality can decide for itself how much it charges. As far as I know, this is the case throughout Germany. Sales tax, on the other hand, is a federal tax that has to be paid.

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BinGOLDiG
Expert
While you're waxing nostalgic... Does anyone still know these €gypt vending machines?

BinGOLDiG

The cool thing about the machines was that you could alternately press the ladder on the left and right and thus climb up more easily and accordingly also fall down slowly and not in one go if the machine didn't want to go any further!

There was also an additional feature with volcanoes and another game with fruit and parrots...anyone remember the name?

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MisterL
Expert
Volcano

after that came the book of ra crap





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