A joke what is going on in German game arcades

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8th Nov. 2018, at 01:33 pm CET#41

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Lucifer88 wrote on 08/11/2018 at 09:50
I see the same, that the new change will not bring much, regarding Player protection

Surely if you just say the right thing to a doctor, you will get a medical condition certified

But that has nothing to do with the fact that Gambling addiction is a real disease. As I said, many people are ruined before they even realize that it is already too late

With the TV addiction you mentioned, not so much could go to pieces, certainly not with close people around you. I also think the example is far too trivial. It does not do justice to the extent of a gambling addiction

Anyone who can still bring some control to something like gambling is still at a point where you can think rationally and avert/control certain things based on rational decisions

An addict can no longer do that. Here, no sayings like: "just leave it alone" or "it's your own fault" will help

There is a point at which the addict himself must understand and he should also get help from outsiders

In addition, it is enormously important that one can be blocked centrally. This would be an important step online in terms of player protection

However, the fun of gambling should not be taken away from those who have themselves under control anyway

Excluding everyone to help a few is not my motto

My approach is to help those who can no longer manage on their own, but to do so all the more consistently

Greetings

Global limits would be a good start, but the licenses would have to be linked to the casino system. Then you would only have to verify once and there are never again problems with documents and the global limits should already have a maximum limit at the beginning.

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8th Nov. 2018, at 03:01 pm CET#42

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So I must say that the new games are really cool and fun to make what is of course annoying, is the book minimum 400 euros then 40+ min break, you have to pay extreme attention to the zero position, otherwise the money is gone that is mega stressful. What I still find negative is that you always have to press the buttons. Overall, I like the update better because of the new game selection. I wonder what people do the 5000 wins then get a maximum of 1000+ then the time is over and the money gone. Does anyone know anything specific? In general, you should rather avoid spielos I speak from 10 years of experience

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8th Nov. 2018, at 05:20 pm CET#43

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Woohoo,

i also wanted to comment on this topic.

I think we all agree that these new vending machines with the manual loading of the amount is animal dead end

A few weeks ago, I had a conversation with an employee about the so-called "zeroing", because I wanted to know what happens to the money that has not yet been booked over.

She said that if the zero position occurs and, for example, 4-5 hundred euros still have to be booked over, the booking over is accelerated by the machine. That is, the machine automastisch the money in a faster rhythm, as if it is normally booked. This is to ensure that large amounts are not simply deleted. I could not test this yet, had no luck since then

The only thing that is actually deleted are possibly deposited free spins in a game. Whether this is really so, I do not know

I myself have now often experienced that the partially disappeared cent amounts have reappeared with me in a payout.

Example: I had paid out 50 EUR. Instead of the 50 EUR, however, I received 56 EUR.

When I asked why this was the case, the employee told me that the funds, which usually disappear when they are posted, are not lost, but are saved and randomly spat out again with withdrawals.

She said that she also finds this strange and suspects an error in the system... No idea whether this was deliberately set or is actually some kind of bug.

Nevertheless... the last months in the Spielhölle were a horror... Not a win worth mentioning... it has become incredibly frustrating... I will probably now but more and more online gambling and at some point completely abandon the game store. Just doesn't cut it anymore, in my opinion.

Yesterday evening I had once again had some luck (online) and was able to pay out 450 EUR with a 20 PSC. In the Spielo come with 20 EUR no longer far... unless you are one of the lucky ones who just catch the right machine at the right time.

LG

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9th Nov. 2018, at 12:38 am CET#44

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WinMuel wrote on 08/11/2018 at 08:32: So I don't think you have to protect the "stupid" people from everything. It's not like we're in kindergarten. That unfortunately runs through the whole BGB, securities law, etc. which I personally think is a shame. That one protects people who are not able to estimate everything (minors) ok. But who can not read and does not understand the sense of Spielos is himself to blame and should lose his money. Of course, there must be protection against fraud, etc. I also think that e.g. the theoretical payout ratio should be visible at the Spielos. Whereby it is clear to everyone that the legally maximum permissible (60%?) is always exhausted.

The word "stupid" is completely wrong in this discussion. Dependent (or pathological - if that is more understandable) gamblers must be protected. Addiction has nothing to do with stupidity. The only thing that could be called stupid is the idea that you (as a gambling customer) can win. This is not about gambling - it is about programmed machines. Guess how they are programmed, in whose favor? Who wants to (and does) make really big money with it? Since there is no compulsion to pay out any amount, there is no reason to offer the "customer" anything for his money. Wins that have not been paid out are income that has been generated. And everyone who plays should have noticed since 2014 that there is nothing worth mentioning (for the 'normal' player, no matter at what stake) more. And nevertheless it is played. That is the addiction. Imagine you go to the cinema, pay 12 euros and the movie is not shown. 2 hours of darkness. You don't get your money back - you got something - 2 hours in the warm and dry. But would you go to the cinema again? Or a cinema at all? Certainly not - there is no addiction involved. But you run into the hall again and again...
The atmosphere in most halls is not particularly pleasant. Fun or entertainment goes differently. Often you can't even talk to the player sitting next to you! Gives equal evil looks. And the supervisor gawking boredly into her smartphone doesn't make things any more pleasant, fun or interesting. The only distraction in between is the Jackpot machine, which presents the next "win" of €3.20 in the bronze Pot at a volume that borders on assault.
Still briefly a word to the protection against fraud: There WinMuel errs. Where hardly any rules apply - everything that exists is excluded again by "exception" in another place - there can be no fraud. About it and the consequences resulting from it one must think times somewhat longer and more intensively... and the realization to which one arrives in the head keep. Who wants to blow away then again times its coal in the hall, should think first briefly times about it.

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9th Nov. 2018, at 03:47 am CET#45

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With me, the Spielo is almost like empty since there is the player card, was yesterday inside and only one other was there, am after 10€ then also gone again

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9th Nov. 2018, at 10:24 am CET#46

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Skitch22 wrote on 09/11/2018 at 03:47: With me the Spielo is almost like empty since there is the player card, was yesterday inside and only one other was there, am after 10€ then also gone again.

That is times a reasonable decision

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9th Nov. 2018, at 10:28 am CET#47

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the operators who are already setting up the player card devices are also rarely stupid.
since they could theoretically still set up the TR5.1 devices until 2021, without a card.

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9th Nov. 2018, at 11:44 am CET#48

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Begbie wrote on 09.11.2018 at 10:28 am: the operators who now already set up the player card devices are also rarely stupid.
since they could theoretically still set up the TR5.1 devices until 2021, without a card.

It is not the player card that is the reason for the lack of customers, not even TR5. Rather the greed of the operators. Since the removal of the minimum payout ratio, the wins have turned towards 0. And - oh God, how could this happen - the customers have noticed and don't get screwed like that anymore. Only the hardcore players - the addicts - can't understand and continue to throw their money in without end. Unfortunately, there are still more than enough of them. Unfortunately, it didn't really help that P.G. didn't tire of claiming in the info on the devices (page 3) that the AQ was much higher since the minimum 60% requirement was dropped.
And also that the chance of winning decreases with every increase of the stake by at least 20% does not exactly help to keep customers. Especially because this fact is not published. Is in my eyes a really game-relevant information - is written however nowhere
There are several other circumstances that are not made public. A customer would never put up with this and would immediately call in an attorney if he found out what was going on.

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9th Nov. 2018, at 04:12 pm CET#49

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Skeptic wrote on 11/09/2018 at 11:44 AM
It's not the player card that's the reason customers aren't coming, nor is TR5. Rather the greed of the operators. Since the removal of the minimum payout ratio, the wins have turned towards 0. And - oh God, how could this happen - the customers have noticed and don't get screwed like that anymore. Only the hardcore players - the addicts - can't understand and continue to throw their money in without end. Unfortunately, there are still more than enough of them. Unfortunately, it didn't really help that P.G. didn't get tired of claiming in the info on the devices (page 3) that the AQ is much higher since the minimum 60% requirement was dropped.
And also that the chance of winning decreases with every increase of the stake by at least 20% does not exactly help to keep customers. Especially because this fact is not published. Is in my eyes a really game-relevant information - is written however nowhere
There are several other circumstances that are not made public. A customer would never put up with this and would immediately call in an attorney if he found out what was going on.

TR5 contributes to the fact that you can get less win or that the odds are turned down - because if you win a few thousand standshste there for ages. In order to increase the odds, you now need significantly more devices due to the regulation and I know Spielos that have vllt. if it comes up 15 devices, they could not afford it. But a well-filled with vllt. 50-100 devices could well offer at least 90%.

So in my opinion TR5 does not contribute to the improvement, you should set a minimum quota of 85%, have it checked again and again and equipment breaks are ridiculous. You should set a 4 hour daily limit on the game card, then the player can also not sit down at another machine. I myself have not entered many Spielos and do I because of the perceived bad quota, the fellow people there and the sometimes inhumane treatment of some employees also no longer. I really went in once and got €10 in my pocket and just the look on the employee's face conveyed "What a disgusting and stupid person...typical gambler". There are certainly also places where the employees are better, but naya that I will now also no longer test out.

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10th Nov. 2018, at 12:28 am CET#50

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I was just now, after more than a year, once again in an arcade with over 40 machines.
I didn't want to gamble, I was just curious about the new features, the new system etc..
Well, what can I say... That was really again a disgusting experience. Never again will I go in there.

Constantly pushing around for penny amounts, constantly the supervisor must come to type in some codes....
An AQ of 50%, but only if you play for a few minutes.
Although I played on just 20ct, I still had to wait very often until I could reload something, because the memory was constantly blank.
A 50 was gone faster than I could look, and I had the feeling to be completely excluded from wins. Wasn't fun at all.
Coffee was kind of rancid, and the building smelled like cigarette smoke and farts.

in 2009-2012 it was still a cool thing - nowadays you have the feeling that the money goes straight into the gutter.
Maybe that varies from place to place, but a few years ago Friday/Saturday evening in the halls was still hell going on - now squat there maybe 2, 3 people and daddeln.

I would be happy if the lights go out there little by little, so that this endless greed of the manufacturers / operators has an end.
Enough coal has been skimmed off, and according to my feeling, it's pretty much going downhill now - fortunately.

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