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Casinos: Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

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hassias
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

1st Aug. 2017, at 11:00 pm CEST#1
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I've been going to Spielbank Stuttgart regularly for almost 3 years now (estimated 3x a week, sometimes more) and can therefore speak from experience. As mentioned, I've been a regular at Spielbank Stuttgart for 3 years and mainly play slot machines. Rarely, I also get dressed up and play Roulette or Blackjack in the annex.

In the first year the machines still ran well. Sometimes you lost and sometimes you won, but even if you lost, at least you had some fun. In the second year the machines were running much worse. That 1.000€ on stakes of 2€ were gone within not even one hour was not a rarity. No free spins, no intermediate winnings, nothing! But at least there was every 15,000€ loss, at least times 4,000€ or 5,000€ back.

What went off in the last 4 months in the casino Stuttgart (not only with me) is simply incomprehensible to me and can only be rated as a rip-off or fraud. It is always the same pattern with me. I go in, win a small amount between 100€ and 300€ (I play by default the old Novoline machines with 4.50€ stake) to lure and from then on it goes the whole evening only downhill! I really can't remember the last time I saw free spins with extension on the boxes! And I have gambled a lot ...

... in the last 3 months alone I left a good 150,000€ there - absolute disaster! The day before yesterday I did an experiment. I occupied 4 of the 5 old Novoline machines in the upper smoking area and played them for hours with the minimum bet of 90 cents. The green bills were devoured by the boxes only in such a way and at the end of the evening were 4,000€ with 90 cent employment away. I have counted whole 3 times I had free spins. 2x at Book of Ra and once at Lucky Lady's Charm. Yield in each case under 50€! And once there was a line win of around 150€.

It's not like I'm the only one who feels this way. You can only hear everyone moaning and everyone tells the same story. At the beginning a small lure profit and then nothing more. No matter which Slot machine you play, nothing!

I now really no longer believe that it goes in the Stuttgart casino with right things and can only warn everyone to play there. I have already played in Online Casinos, in gaming arcades and in the Stuttgart casino. I have NEVER experienced anything like this (over months - even with all other players). Since it runs even in gaming houses better!

Is anyone of you from the Stuttgart area and what are your experiences? It could also be that I am always there at the wrong times. Although I know some players and they report the same and usually play at other times.



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c****7

Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 01:34 am CEST#2
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Well,
as you probably know, the casinos are largely loss-making since the gambling glut and online gambling. Casinos are (mostly) run by the state, who wants to control what they do. The state writes the laws, they do what they want.
My recommendation to you, go to Switzerland or France or Luxembourg and soon Liechtenstein and try the casinos there, then you have a comparison.

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Daniel
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 03:50 am CEST#3
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I was often in Stuttgart for a while and bled a lot there. But that's also because I can never stop. When I get something out of one machine, I have the feeling that something could still go on other machines. Is everything but deception and mindf**k and actually I know it better in theory

150.000€ in 4 months is intense. I hope that does not ruin you completely

But in principle it can go like this. I have also experienced heavy eating phases in casinos, that I thought I was in a gambling house, only with higher betting possibilities. But there are also eating phases in Online Casinos - and in gambling houses anyway.

You didn't play with 90 cents, but with 3,60€ (4 slots a 90 cents). Payout ratio is similar to online casinos, except that I can nowhere see the payout ratio of the games there. In online casinos, the AQ is at least specified for almost every game

You can, by the way, at GambleJoe at casino games the payout ratio of each game to display - these should also apply to casinos. Gambling houses the AQ should always be about 20% lower. Book of Ra Classic has the worst AQ of all Novoline games, I even wrote an article about it, see here: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/book-of-ra-classic-vs-deluxe/

Back to the topic: let's assume that the games in the Spielebank Stuttgart have an average AQ of 95%. Then you lose on average 5% of your stake per spin. At 3,60€ / spin this means 18 cents per spin. With 20 spins per minute about 3,60€ per minute or 216€ per hour. With your 4.000€ you can, with average luck, play 18 hours. You just had below average luck and have played say only 6 hours. There are also players who fetch 5 explorers at Book of Ra from time to time and these play significantly longer.

I don't think it's that unusual. It can go so blatantly bad. In the long run, everything happens. Sometimes no machines run for a while, sometimes isolated and now and then it also happens that everywhere is won - although I have never experienced such a phase in Stuttgart. I had in the period in which I played there also only bad luck. The only time I was really lucky was when I was back in the casino after a long break. I put 50€ in the machine and played a little bit and then I got 5 balls on Lucky Lady's Charm for 2,70€. A picture that I had never seen before. Unfortunately, I gambled the coal later again and it was only eaten.



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hassias
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 01:16 pm CEST#4
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daniel I do not understand why you so verteitigst the casino Stuttgart! Are you sponsored by casinos or what? Just go there yourself and convince yourself! Talk there also times with players. The machines have been running absolutely disgustingly for months. And if you take a break for a month or two and come back as a High Roller, you will also win - as you described with your 5 Scatters at Lucky Lady. Then it's over again for weeks or months. Sorry, but this is no longer a coincidence. They release the machines from above or close them.

I've been playing for 15 years, in gambling houses, a few Online Casinos and in Stuttgart. You can't tell me anything about the horse. In online casinos you have from time to time also really luck, if you play a little more risky. I have a few regular casinos that I trust and where I play online. at Mr Green, for example, I won 70,000€ two months ago. What did I do with the money. I took it to the casino in Stuttgart within a week - it was so stupid I could laugh my ass off!

At sunmaker I am 20,000 € in the miesen but I had at least my fun and now and then there were also profits. At LeoVegas I also have a small plus and at Quasar Gaming I also have 10,000 € minus but I also play high and therefore that is also ok. But at Quasar I also had a profit of 40.000€ in between. So I have never experienced in Stuttgart in all the years - and I have gambled there a lot - or seen live. The employees always babble about "yes, yesterday one has 20.000€ blablub ...". Somehow funny that I never observe it myself

I don't expect to get rich from gambling. But I expect Unterhaltug and not quite as blatant and obvious to be ripped off as in Stuttgart! Sorry, but if there is no Manipulation in the Stuttgart casino, then there is no manipulation anywhere. Even Sparplatinen in gambling houses are more merciful with the players!

By the way, the jackpots there are also an absolute joke. The biggest Jackpot is always a maximum of 30,000€. If I go to Switzerland, there are at least jackpots of 100,000€ and more. There are also larger jackpots in online casinos. Suttgart is really a joke of a casino.

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Daniel
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 01:50 pm CEST#5
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hassias wrote on 02.08.2017 at 13:16: @Daniel I do not understand why you so verteitst the Stuttgart casino! Are you sponsored by casinos or what?

Here we go! Haha, I am definitely not sponsored by the casinos - rather the opposite! And I personally don't like the German casinos or all state gambling providers, because of their hypocrisy. There gambling houses are really preferable to me! This can also be read in some articles like this one: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/spielerschutz-wem-dient-er/

I would like to confirm your post and I would very much discourage gamblers to go to gambling houses. But the fact of the matter is that in the long run, gamblers do better or just as well in casinos as they do in Online Casinos (normal players who mainly play with smaller stakes). Even though I personally don't like the state gambling providers, I can't objectively claim that you have worse chances there than in online casinos - and especially not in Spielothek! So Spielothek is the last thing you should do to yourself as a gambler. Misserable AQ and no Risk-adequate winnings possible. That gaming arcades are so magical, but is the fault of the state gambling monopoly, which is highly fuzzy in European law anyway - but good ...

The argumentation with the jackpots is correct, though. In German casinos there are no jackpots (at least not in those where I was) with which you could theoretically get rich. In online casinos or in Las Vegas & Co. however already. Cracking such a Jackpot is extremely unlikely but still the only way a long-term player could become a real winner.

I am actually almost certain that there is no Manipulation in the Stuttgart casino. Quite normal random distribution. You were just lucky online. Others have more luck in casinos. That is all coincidence. It can also go badly for months. Maybe your perception is also selective and you don't perceive winning correctly anymore. I mean, I feel the same way as a gambler.

Read the guide articles on the subject of Slot machines and slot games: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/

Then you will understand how slot machines work in casinos and online casinos.

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Julian
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 02:02 pm CEST#6
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I've been through everything, too. I've been in arcades and I've only lost. Then I went online and thought it runs better
That is also true but online you then also experience phases where you just bang, then I thought online anyway everything is manipulated and went only to the casino Baden-Baden. There I had except a small profit of 200€ at the beginning also only bad luck
Eating can be everywhere and everywhere one is ripped off. Is quite normal ... gambling just

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c****7

Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 03:12 pm CEST#7
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I think you have to try to stick to the facts here, even if it's hard when you're affected yourself.
One thing first: My experience with Slot machines in the casino is very bad, I have almost always bled heavily. My record was once to sink 10,000 EUR in a machine from Aristocrat at 45 EUR per spin in one go and to get FS only once. After that, with one exception, I never played in a Slot machine casino again, because I exploded.
Basically, there is the possibility to call up the AQ, hit rate and volatility of the individual game via the manufacturer's website, but whether something can be set and whether it is done, you can't say exactly. In my opinion, there is already a transparency problem. One knows for example from Las Vegas that in the entrance area the machines pay better to attract people, so there are apparently adjustment possibilities, but how the exact range is, one cannot say it, I would like to exclude there nothing.
On the other hand, the casino doesn't really have to cheat, because as soon as the AQ is below 100%, they make money by default. You can't win on slots in the long run, absolutely impossible, unless maybe you hit a jackpot. Speaking of which, the Bavarian Jackpot in Bavarian casinos is usually six figures.
Another factor with slot machines in casinos is money, you can play very high, meaning no matter how much money you have, you can lose a small fortune in a short time. In gambling houses a high bankroll can be an advantage, because the cycles of the game are not so extreme, already because of the booking breaks and the Max.stake. What most people also don't know is that the machines in arcades have an AQ in play as well as a cashin/cashout on the one hand. The latter means a certain percentage amount of the Deposit MUST be paid out, depending on the machine model in the range 65-80%, tending to decrease with each new machine. A few months ago there was a phase, where the Coolfireplatine were changed at Novos and they ran well, that is already over again, currently is only drawn. To what extent casino machines also have cashin/cashout parameters, I can unfortunately not say.
I am passionate about playing slots but have switched to games like Blackjack and Poker in the real casino, where my success also depends somewhat on skill. If you play BJ correctly according to basic blackjack strategy, you have over 99% AQ. Sure you don't win 10,000e playing medium stakes (I usually play 20 up to 250 EUR per hand), but 1-3 thousand wins more often.
I don't like the state-run casinos and would like to accuse them of fraud, especially against the background that they have been under economic pressure for several years, but I don't think they need it. But against the background of high stakes and if you play rather high volatility slots like the Novos, you can get into enormous feeding frenzies. I have already sunk 10,000 EUR in slots at Novos over 1-3 weeks without once paying out a profit or getting a profit over 500 and play 50-200 cent. You calculate that times on the casino up...on the other hand I have also had phases where I have won every day for weeks...Gambling hass in itself, everyone should know that.

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hassias
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 03:22 pm CEST#8
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I know the articles and I am aware that you lose! It's just that I used to leave an average of maybe €5,000 a month in Stuttgart and had fun with it. It went up and down. It got worse and worse as I said and that for years and my stakes and my playing behavior have not changed much.

I earn good money and 5.000€ a month I could afford. I have two good running stores and actually I am doing well. But for a year now, I've been spending almost the entire monthly turnover on my head (20,000€ EVERY MONTH) and I'm not even making a profit! No reserves for taxes, nothing. I sometimes tell the employees of the casino there, if it continues so then you make my employees soon unemployed. Then they laugh. But the sad thing is that it is no longer a joke if it goes on like this! I am really about to ruin myself and the people for whom I am responsible. I sit partially drenched in sweat in front of the boxes and hope every day that it times - at least a little - rattles. I even hope that the first 1,000€ I pick up will last at least the whole evening or just a few days so that I can "save". But after 1 - 2 hours the 1,000€ are gone - if it goes well!

Anyway, I have enough experience to realize that something is wrong there and I can only advise everyone not to play there and start the shit there.

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hassias
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 03:23 pm CEST#9
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chmi77 wrote on 02/08/2017 at 01:34: Well,
as you probably know, the casinos are largely loss-making since

Stuttgart is guaranteed not loss-making. If you are there on the weekend, you get partly no free machine and can go home. If they are loss-making, then I wonder what they do with all the money they scam ...

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Daniel
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Spielbank Stuttgart: Rip-off & fraud in its purest form!

2nd Aug. 2017, at 03:42 pm CEST#10
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It doesn't matter where you gamble in the long run, you will always lose. No matter if it's rigged or not. The fact is that you have a problem. As you write, you have entered a phase where you chase losses and try to compensate them partially or completely. In all likelihood this will not work and you will lose even more and in the end possibly lose your existence.

You should urgently get yourself blocked and try a therapy. Actually, in your case, the "well-trained" employees of the casino should do this, if you are already sitting in front of the machine, drenched in sweat, and tell them that your employees will soon be unemployed. At least that's the theory and propaganda of the state gambling providers.

You should cut your losses and try to draw the consequences for yourself. If nothing is going on, then don't play there anymore and just stay away from the casino. Especially if it ruins you so blatantly! 150.000€ in such a short time to lose is violent and no matter how much you make in the month, the ruin is pre-programmed if you continue so!

Ifs you do not pack it alone, then let you block there - the request they will follow there very probably immediately - I hope at least ...

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