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Casinos: Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

Topic created on 29th Jul. 2024 | Page: 1 of 1 | Answers: 8 | Views: 722
as1990

Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

29th Jul. 2024, at 09:26 pm CEST#1
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Hi there,
i have noticed that the Jackpot systems in the Merkur Spielbank in my town work completely differently to those in the Spielothek. In the casino, you can set the jackpot bet much higher than the bet in the main game. But in the casino, I can only place 1/3 of the bet from the main game on the pot. So, for example, if I play on 30 cents, a maximum of 10 cents goes to the pot. Why is that the case? And is this the case in all casinos? I'm asking because I have the impression that I lose a lot more money this way than in the casino, even though the return should be much higher.


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R3hab
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Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

30th Jul. 2024, at 12:44 am CEST#2
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Is the Jackpot amount the same for both?

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Maria_Sonntag
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Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

30th Jul. 2024, at 11:02 am CEST#3
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as1990 wrote on 29.07.2024 at 21:26: Moin,
, although the Rtp should be much higher.



says who?


There have been no Jackpot machines (or rather: multi-station machines) in arcades since TR5. The devices are not connected to each other. Because TR5 resets to the defined initial state after three hours, there is no longer any point in connecting the devices and running something if everything is reset after three hours. Who would still play with it?

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frapi07
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Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

30th Jul. 2024, at 11:11 am CEST#4
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Maria_Sonntag wrote on 30.07.2024 at 11:02 am:

says who?


There have been no Jackpot machines (or rather: multi-station machines) in arcades since TR5. The devices are not connected to each other. Because TR5 resets to the defined initial state after three hours, there is no longer any point in connecting the devices and running something if everything is reset after three hours. Who would play with that?

He surely means this additional option that you can activate per spin. So something like Volcano, Seven etc.

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Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

30th Jul. 2024, at 06:23 pm CEST#5
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Maria_Sonntag wrote on July 30th, 2024 at 11:02 am:

says who?


There have been no Jackpot machines (or rather: multi-station machines) in arcades since TR5. The devices are not connected to each other. Because TR5 resets to the defined initial state after three hours, there is no longer any point in connecting the devices and running something if everything is reset after three hours. Who would still play with it?

Tr.5 and the law behind it explicitly prohibit progressive amounts, as this encourages players to continue playing when the level is close to max

On the subject of :

I don't know the exact reason why you can only bet 1/3 there now and not 20 + 20 like in the hall, but I think this is somehow related to the fact that you generally have to play higher to fill the Pot because if you can only bet 10 cents at a stake of 30, it will logically rise more slowly and if you have to increase your bet by X amount just as an example and can only do +20 with €1, for example, you will lose much more in the base game

The pot only increases through the + bets on the side, so such a limitation would make sense, especially in view of the often advertised 4-fold chance of winning at e.g. +20 bets, if people have to gamble higher in the base game or, in short, it brings in more money

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as1990

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30th Jul. 2024, at 09:01 pm CEST#6
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frapi07 wrote on 30.07.2024 at 11:11 am:
He surely means this additional option that you can activate per spin. So something like Volcano, Seven etc.

Exactly, that's what I mean.


It could be because the Pot in the casino can be many times higher. But the feature itself is also triggered much less frequently than in the arcade. I wonder whether it is really more "profitable" for the average player than in the arcade. If 7 people win €1000, that's a lower RTP than if one person wins €10000 and the others go away empty-handed, but it's still more profitable for the average player. Or am I seeing this wrong?

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frapi07
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Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

30th Jul. 2024, at 10:13 pm CEST#7
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as1990 wrote on 30.07.2024 21:01:

Exactly, that's what I mean.


Could be due to the fact that the Pot in the casino can be many times higher. But the feature itself is also triggered much less frequently than in the arcade. I wonder whether it is really more "profitable" for the average player than in the arcade. If 7 people win €1000, that's a lower RTP than if one person wins €10000 and the others go away empty-handed, but it's still more profitable for the average player. Or am I seeing this wrong?

This is not a Jackpot like at the casino. I could be wrong, but in the casino these are progressive jackpots. In other words: 1) the jackpot increases per spin, 2) the jackpot is played by several players at the same time (the whole hall) and others can win it too.

In the arcades, this is limited to one machine. There should be a separate RTP for this, but the two cannot be compared with each other.

Perhaps this is triggered less frequently in the arcade because you play this function alone.

You're also mixing things up:

Of course it's better if 7 people win €1000 instead of one €10,000. But that's only because the probability of 7x jackpots being triggered is lower than the probability of it only being triggered once - regardless of the size of the jackpot. You also can't really say that the probability of hitting a €1000 jackpot is higher/lower than that of the €10,000 jackpot, because without concrete data you have to assume that jackpot = jackpot.

Your example has nothing to do with the RTP. The RTP refers to a game and you cannot "combine" the RTPs of the arcade and compare them with another RTP (of the casino), as they are independent of each other (stochastic independence).


Your question as to whether this is more beneficial for the average player cannot be answered in this way. You would need more data for that.

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as1990

Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

31st Jul. 2024, at 09:43 pm CEST#8
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frapi07 wrote on July 30, 2024 at 10:13 pm:


Maybe this is triggered less often in the arcade because you play this function alone.


I had written that I have the Jackpot game much less often in the casino (!!!), and I wouldn't have been surprised if it had been the other way round.

Otherwise, it's always said here on this site that you lose around 5 times more in the casino in the long term for the same stake amount.

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Maria_Sonntag
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Difference between jackpot systems and casino/gambling libraries

1st Aug. 2024, at 02:57 pm CEST#9
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I wouldn't believe everything that is posted here either. Unfortunately, a lot of people here sell the "perceived" or "felt" truth as fact.

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