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Casinos: Casino all just a scam?

Topic created on 25th Apr. 2018 | Page: 1 of 2 | Answers: 10 | Views: 6,116
Zocker441
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Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 07:55 am CEST#1
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Hello people

Have been to a local casino many times now and have made the following observations:

In the casino there are about 10 different supervisors running around every day and all of them always have their hands in their pockets. If you play on machines and none of these supervisors is near, it can sometimes come to winnings, but as soon as one of these "supervisors" suddenly stops at one "unobtrusively" and watches you suddenly comes no more big win.

Had it for example that I had changed my money at the cash register, the supervisor also stood there. As soon as I went to the machines and started to play, the supervisor was standing right nearby and all the machines just ate the whole time. When the money was then completely gone, the supervisor went away again quite unobtrusively....

This is now certainly the 10th time I noticed, that can not be a coincidence?

Once I have e.g. won at a machine on 50 cents about the 350 € and immediately stood 6 supervisors behind me and looked stupid out of the laundry, then of course nothing more came...:D For me solangsam all fraud...

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Anonym

Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 11:16 am CEST#2
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Sounds logical what you write.

Am curious if someone has had similar experiences or can even confirm the story.
If, then we are here something big on the track.

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Knochen
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Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 11:21 am CEST#3
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And what are they supposed to do? Remote control that the machines give nothing? Use your brain, what does the casino get out of locking up the wins every time a supervisor is around? Why would they want to create a recognizable regularity in the first place? That would be the stupidest kind of cheating I can think of.

Having employees watch you win isn't unusual, it's a highlight in a boring profession.

I think you, like many gamblers/gambling addicts, suffer from very selective perception and a massive perception disorder. Classic thoughts like "The guy next to me is winning all the time, the guy 5 machines down has another big win, another free spins" etc. are common to many gamblers because they only perceive the wins of others. Then it is probably enough that once a bigger win comes and just no employee is nearby, next time there is an employee and you lose and you have already found the culprit. Look for the blame for losing with you. You went to a place that guarantees you will lose in the long run. I don't think the casino is cheating you. And if you seriously believe that and still go there, you are definitely very addicted to gambling because who goes to a place where they get cheated several times, get cheated again and again, complain and go back the next day to get cheated? Nobody does that.

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Anonym

Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 11:24 am CEST#4
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Hey, I must unfortunately disagree... Have once played in the bank directly at the cash register ne box that was really open... the ran almost 2h...I've always increased the stakes from 5 to 50 euros... And have had in the time 10-12 ne forced payout so over 1200 euros... in the time stood determined 10 employees behind me... I think the is just bored..therefore you are looking for distraction...

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RiverSong
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Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 11:30 am CEST#5
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Gambler441 wrote on 04/25/2018 at 07:55: Hi guys,

Have been to a local casino many times now and have made the following observations:

There are about 10 different supervisors running around the casino every day and they all always have their hands in their pockets. If you play on machines and none of these supervisors is near, it can sometimes come to winnings, but as soon as one of these "supervisors" suddenly stops at one "unobtrusively" and watches you suddenly comes no more big win.

Had it for example that I had changed my money at the cash register, the supervisor also stood there. As soon as I went to the machines and started to play, the supervisor was standing right nearby and all the machines just ate the whole time. When the money was then completely gone, the supervisor went away again quite unobtrusively....

This is now certainly the 10th time I noticed, that can not be a coincidence?

Once I have won for example at a machine on 50 cents about the 350 € and immediately 6 supervisors stood behind me and looked stupid out of the laundry, then of course nothing more came...:D For me solangsam all fraud...

how big is the casino that the 10 supervisors need curious observation your, you could also directly address your feeling whether they want to please stand around somewhere else, they bring you no luck --> reaction

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Julian
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Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 12:01 pm CEST#6
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Very well summarized by bone, am exactly of his opinion

And of course you should also consider that the whole staff of most players often receive tips, which can be very high at high sums.
I think for every staff the thing with the money handover is probably the best part of his job and irrelevant if any player would not fit them, they would be pretty stupid if they would influence that in any way negative, even if they could.

When I was in a casino, and it was overcrowded, it also felt every 40-50 seconds at some machine rang for a payout and the staff was far too busy to run from A to B, doubt that they would even have the opportunity to keep all the machines and players in sight.

Besides, nobody would have anything from it, happy customers are good customers... everyone knows the more often a player wins, the more he will put into the machine and the more the player will lose in the long run. And you don't have to manipulate anything in addition to that.

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Jenges
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Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 12:19 pm CEST#7
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That's nonsense. Nowhere are there such wild conspiracy theories as among gamblers. No casino needs to cheat, they make enough money from us as it is

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Daniel
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Casino all just a scam?

25th Apr. 2018, at 12:47 pm CEST#8
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Well, there have also been cases of fraud in casinos, where employees have made their pockets full - but more in the area of Roulette and blackjack. At the Slot machines, I can hardly imagine that there is manipulation. Since must what Knochen has written, I can fully subscribe. As a gambler one suffers (at the latest when it comes to gambling) from a selective perception. I do not exclude myself. Sometimes I have such thoughts myself, although when I think about it rationally, I know better.

In game stores, manipulations actually occur from time to time by using economy boards. Sometimes these boards are designed in such a way that only the state is cheated, as only every second euro is recorded in the statistics. Sometimes players and the state are cheated and sometimes only players are cheated. The state usually only intervenes when it suspects that taxes have been evaded.

In casinos this is theoretically also possible but it is more difficult to implement because when a machine is opened, this must always be done by two employees. One employee from the tax office and one from the casino. If they conspire, this would be possible. However, this would require a circuit board to be replaced, i.e. the machine would have to be opened beforehand and the circuit board replaced. I think that remote control is impossible.

The safest from Manipulation are, even if many may not believe it, online casinos with good licenses. The games are hosted by the game manufacturers, i.e. the casinos have no possibility to intervene in the game. In online gambling, if only the game manufacturers themselves can manipulate and not the individual Online Casinos - even if this is falsely claimed again and again by players who have just lost.

If manipulation by online casinos were possible, then such cases would not exist: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/merkur-casino-verweigert-auszahlung/

(Short version: Player wins with 20€ Deposit, 50.000€; gets problems with casino; Regulator reopens player account; Player continues to play and turns the 50.000€ into over 160.000€; Player gets problems with casino again; Through the regulator and long back and forth the money is paid out to the player; The casino did not want us to make this case public) By the way, the casino has improved a lot since then - should also be mentioned positively

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max223

Casino all just a scam?

26th Apr. 2018, at 12:15 am CEST#9
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@JulianK, that's not true about the tip. I myself work as a Croupier in a renowned casino in Germany (Hesse), and employees are not allowed to pocket the tip. The salary of all employees is paid from the tip.

As far as cheating at the machines is concerned, I can't really say anything, except that in addition to the control by the financial officers, there is also a control by the cameras. If an employee is caught cheating (has happened many times with the croupiers), they are summarily dismissed and reported. I don't think that any of the supervisors would take that risk. If you still suspect that certain employees are "ripping off" these machines, you can email the management and they will look into the matter.

I also just remembered that even if employees are cheating their way to wins on the machines, it shouldn't affect your chances of winning.

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Anonym

Casino all just a scam?

26th Apr. 2018, at 12:39 am CEST#10
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??

Did I miss something?

I thought the thread was satire.

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