Coping, therapiers, tips... : Strategy for more joy in life despite monthly gambling (Page 3)

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mmessner29 wrote on 07/15/2019 02:55 PM
I can only agree with that, normally it should be so that one works to live.... but mostly one lives more badly than right and works to the umfallen....

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Zwischenmeister wrote on 07/15/2019 08:38: Ok, if THAT is your happiness, congratulations. For me, that's just the image that society, advertising and the powerful want to suggest to me of "happiness". GEIL, managed work, house, 2 cars, you say it yourself, renunciation has led you to what the state sells us as happiness, as the first positive aspect even before house and cars you call your work. Which you need to be able to afford all this. Of course you need two cars. What for? Just to get to work.

I don't know how old you are, but for me it makes no sense to work until 35, 40 or 45 and "get ahead" as you say so well (I don't know what that really means, or where exactly that is and who exactly you are standing in front of), only to own two cool rolling status symbols, to define yourself mainly by your work and to sit in your own house on the 6k Rolf Benz couch in the evening and look back on twenty years of work and sacrifice.


To each his own, whoever wants that, it is granted to him and I wish everyone that he is happy. But I would give me believe I the bullet if I would sit here now with 41 years and would determine that it was what I have started with my life... There I renounce gladly on house on cars on yachts and much money, because these are all only things. Things of which we are persuaded we would want them, no even need.

But if you ask what you really want from life and what you really need, then it is, at least for me, just other things that come to mind first.

Please do not understand this as a front against you, as I said, I'm happy for everyone who lives his life and who is doing well. That's what it's all about, isn't it?

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Zwischenmeister wrote on 07/15/2019 08:38: Ok, if THAT is your happiness, congratulations. For me, that's just the image that society, advertising and the powerful want to suggest to me of "happiness". GEIL, managed work, house, 2 cars, you say it yourself, renunciation has led you to what the state sells us as happiness, as the first positive aspect even before house and cars you call your work. Which you need to be able to afford all this. Of course you need two cars. What for? Just to get to work.

I don't know how old you are, but for me it makes no sense to work until 35, 40 or 45 and "get ahead" as you say so well (I don't know what that really means, or where exactly that is and who exactly you are standing in front of), only to own two cool rolling status symbols, to define yourself mainly by your work and to sit in your own house on the 6k Rolf Benz couch in the evening and look back on twenty years of work and sacrifice.


To each his own, whoever wants that, it is granted to him and I wish everyone that he is happy. But I would give me believe I the bullet if I would sit here now with 41 years and would determine that it was what I have started with my life... There I renounce gladly on house on cars on yachts and much money, because these are all only things. Things of which we are persuaded we would want them, no even need.

But if you ask what you really want from life and what you really need, then it is, at least for me, just other things that come to mind first.

Please do not understand this as a front against you, as I said, I'm happy for everyone who lives his life and who is doing well. That's what it's all about, isn't it?

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Kleinkariert wrote on 07/15/2019 at 10:19 am
Work per se is not bad, you don't just work at work if you know what I mean

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Intermediate Master wrote on 07/15/2019 11:42 AM
Of course work per se is not a bad thing. I do work, that's just the way it has to be. But the model and the image of work, which are created by certain mechanisms, prevail in our society and in whose tracks already our small children are steered, which I find simply perverse. That takes away any possibility for the free development of the Persönlichket. Who knows at 15 or 16 already really what he wants to do with his life?

Work is no longer just something that is done and must be done to earn what is necessary for life (which does not mean that you can not still enjoy it), but is increasingly becoming something that separates classes, a status symbol through which people define themselves with the aim of accumulating more money and material wealth than the neighbor, the brother or anyone else.

And actually go in our consumption and throwaway society most nevertheless only still work around this cycle from ever more and ever faster developed products which actually nobody needs, the ever shorter becoming product cycles, the Who bung which arouses in us the Bedrüfnis these nevertheless and to want to possess or must around further to belong and the humans those then still more work around it to be able to afford it to maintain.

That's what I mean, it is now just work for its own sake, to satisfy needs that we actually do not even really have. That makes the catastrophe, which we cause here on earth quite incidentally all the more tragic. Because it would actually be completely unnecessary...

But I was once like that, too, certainly not unlike Blubbo33. At the age of 22 I had a great job with 2.5k net, 14 monthly salaries per year, 35 hours per week, 30 vacation days, my own office, a big BMW, an almost completely paid off condo with garage and garden and YES DAMN, I even liked my job!!!!


And today I am so grateful that something happened back then that took the blinders off me, changed my view of the world. It made me realize that there are big differences between the values of society and mine. And it hit me hard when I realized that there were even bigger differences between the life that was waiting for me and the life I wanted to lead.

What I did then many would call vagabonding or jobbing. I say I lived while you earned and bought a second car. Worked all winter, quit my job and just spent a summer going from one festival to the next. Worked for a while, quit, backpacked for 5 months. I wouldn't do all that today, but I know how much I would regret it today if I had NEVER done it. In my old job, I would never have had more than 3 weeks off at a time until today. The idea makes my throat close up, seriously....


People are always working for something and towards something that most can't name and that will never happen. And before you look around, your pension is just around the corner and you think "Oh f**k, what I wanted to do with my life..." So you live the perfect life, not for yourself, but for the state, the government, the community. What you get in return is back pain and a bunch of flowers when you retire...

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