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Gambling addiction in general: I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict? (Page 2)

Topic created on 12th Apr. 2024 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 37 | Views: 3,007
Hidaruma
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

14th Apr. 2024, at 11:59 am CEST#16
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frapi07 wrote on April 13th, 2024 at 5:34 pm:

No problem I left out a lot of the wins/losses because otherwise this would have gotten really long. I bought an estimated 100+ bonus buys that cost at least 100€. With Platin I deposited an extra 106 or 212€ so that I had enough money (+tax) for the buy. If I made a win, I paid out immediately and if I made a loss, I deposited immediately. I deposited little by little, sometimes until I really had hardly anything left in my account.

I can only recommend that you talk to someone about it. Be it a friend or someone else. You can also use the forum as an outlet, but I find that a one-on-one conversation with an ex-gambler helps best.

Why do you do it with additionally taxed spins/bonus buys?


As far as the initial situation is concerned, if you got out of it without being in the red, everything went well again. If you feel you have to play compulsively, I would seek help.

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frapi07
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

14th Apr. 2024, at 12:35 pm CEST#17
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Hidaruma wrote on 04/14/2024 11:59 AM:

Why do you do the daddling with additionally taxed spins/bonusbuys?


As far as the initial situation is concerned, if you got out of it without being in the red, everything went well again. If you feel you have to play compulsively, I would seek help.

in short: out of comfort. With Platin, I was fully verified, withdrawals were made very quickly, etc. I didn't feel like going through the Verification process again. Platin was not only played by me, but by a lot of people.

I didn't actually go into the red with bonus buys, although that all depends on luck. I only played Pragamatics and in my experience this Provider only pays 1-2 out of 10 buys. The majority of them are in the 10-50x range.

No, everything is fine now. I just wanted to chase my losses back then. Typical gambler. You want to beat the machine, but we all know it's not possible.


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Anonym

I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

14th Apr. 2024, at 10:17 pm CEST#18
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frapi07 wrote on 13.04.2024 at 22:28:

Yes about Whereby with Bonus Buys you have the possibility to get more than twice as much ^^

haha, that's right. but I was so crazy to Martingale more than twice as much.

and that (unfortunately) went well for far too long.

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Anonym

I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

14th Apr. 2024, at 10:22 pm CEST#19
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frapi07 wrote on 14.04.2024 at 12:35 pm:

No, all is well by now. I just wanted to chase my losses back then. Typical gambler. You want to beat the machine, but we all know it's not possible.

do we really know that? really and truly? so intellectually, yes - none of us are completely limited. but whether that's also sunk in on all the other levels - i don't really know... if it were, you wouldn't play, would you? i really ask myself that question.

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frapi07
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

15th Apr. 2024, at 04:04 am CEST#20
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dazzle_tea wrote on 14.04.2024 at 22:22

do you really know that? really and truly? so intellectually, yes - none of us is completely limited. but whether that has also sunk in on all the other levels - i don't really know... if it were, you wouldn't be playing, would you? i really ask myself that question.

In the long term you certainly have this realization, but you often forget it while you're playing. Adrenaline, anger/disappointment etc. Most of the time you can't think rationally.

I think it's the approach. I deposited to make a win. Then when you get "ripped off", you get triggered. At least that's how it was for me. I bought a €200 bonus and sometimes only got €20-30 out of it. 2-3 times in a row. You could beat yourself up in anger.



dazzle_tea wrote on 04/14/2024 22:17:

haha, true. i was so mad more than double to martingalen though.

and that (unfortunately) went well for far too long.

You only stop when it's too late.

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streetworksusi
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

15th Apr. 2024, at 10:34 am CEST#21
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Hello,

my name is Susanne and I work at a counseling center for gambling addiction. I can quite understand that you're feeling bad right now. And I certainly don't want to convince you that you're addicted to gambling. But you certainly have to admit that you have gone beyond your financial limits and that has shocked you. Just try to keep a clear head, set yourself limits and be careful. See that you can reduce your debts and don't build up any more debt. Don't let the whole thing get you down, think positively and set yourself goals so that you can steer your thoughts in a different direction. Do something good for yourself, exercise or take up another hobby. Then you won't need to gamble so often or maybe not at all at some point.

For more tips, please write to me directly here or by email at su.schmidt@caritas-augsburg.de

I wish you good luck and all the best



Susanne

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sundance
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

15th Apr. 2024, at 01:21 pm CEST#22
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hi guys,
i'd be interested to know the following: have you also had the experience of making a good win "the first time" (I've often heard this, and it seems to be a real mystery)?
I had the following experience at the end of 2002: I had 4 exhausting weeks (Christmas business - market stall) behind me and my boyfriend at the time persuaded me to go to a Belgian casino together with a buddy for hours with "angel tongues": I really didn't want to (I know myself, I could never get my throat full even back then in my chess and Doppelkopf round "...och komm`eine Runde noch!!!.") - And at 4 o'clock in the morning and everyone had to work, laugh) - but they wouldn't let up and I let myself be beaten. And won 1.5 K at Roulette - completely delighted, I went back there the next day: and lost everything again PLUS most of my market takings...
Well, you'd think she'd have checked it out right away, but I was immediately hooked. Until today. However, I have a fixed limit that I stick to. - I don't gamble away the rent or anything like that; it's happened to me exactly once and was a lesson to me. P.S.: Incidentally, because I play with very small stakes, I've never won as much as I did on the first day.

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n****4

I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 12:20 am CEST#23
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Knowledge is the first path to insight. You are living beyond your means. What do you expect from gambling ? Fun? Money? As an experienced gambler, I can tell you that you will win nothing. I've been playing for a long time and have already spent a lot. I can afford it, but basically it's the stupidest investment. It's the thrill of winning, but it doesn't last long. For example, you win 500 for the first time and think wow, easy money. At some point it doesn't kick in anymore you win 50000 or 100000 then you don't care about these small wins anymore. It's basically a vicious circle. It's not the money but the time you give away time that you or I or anyone else will never get back. We're all in this boat. Everyone is different. You still have all the time in the world to change it

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Saphira
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 01:51 am CEST#24
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I think for people with a normal sense of money, wins of 50 or 100 k are utopia anyway. They are happy about 500 euros and can go over the top, but come to their senses relatively quickly. That's what sundance sounds like. She overshot the mark once (gambled away the rent), then pulled the ripcord and is now only on the lowest bets because she generally enjoys playing. I don't think she's living beyond her means. She has a fixed limit that she sticks to. You're a completely different caliber, Needle. Sorry, but I don't think you have any relationship with money at all. Since it seems to be growing back on you somehow, you couldn't care less how much is lost. This fact alone also allows you to be unaware of the suffering caused by the threat of bankruptcy. In this respect, you lack this one important experience/fear. For you, it's more about having to win. A lot of time is lost in the process and that's a burden for you. You could change this immediately, but you don't. A lot of people have already suggested that you use all that money to go on a nice vacation or buy yourself something nice. I suspect you're simply bored of it. Which is a shame, because you yourself talk about the valuable time that just passes by in some stupid casinos/gambling halls. I think you're on a self-destructive path that won't end as long as the money keeps flowing in. It would be interesting to see how things would go if the flow of money dried up. But you can't compare your path with sundance at all. You would have to know the existential angst.

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frapi07
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 02:14 am CEST#25
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Saphira wrote on 16.04.2024 at 01:51: , Needle. Sorry, but I don't think you have any relationship to money at all. Since it somehow seems to grow back with you, you can't care how much is lost. This fact alone also allows you to be unaware of the suffering caused by the threat of bankruptcy. In this respect, you lack this one important experience/fear. For you, it's more about having to win. A lot of time is lost in the process and that's a burden for you. You could change this immediately, but you don't. A lot of people have already suggested that you use all that money to go on a nice vacation or buy yourself something nice. I suspect you're simply bored of it. Which is a shame, because you yourself talk about the valuable time that just passes by in some stupid casinos/gambling halls. I think you're on a self-destructive path that won't end as long as the money keeps flowing in. It would be interesting to see how things would go if the flow of money dried up. But you can't compare your path with sundance at all. You would have to know the existential angst.

I think he's referring to the TE

Makes sense when you read his part. "You're living beyond your means" applies more to the TE and not to sundance.

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Langhans_innen
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 10:16 am CEST#26
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frapi07 wrote on 16.04.2024 at 02:14:

I think he's referring to the TE

Makes sense when you read his part. "You're living beyond your means" applies more to the TE and not to sundance.

But the analysis of Needle was still apt, even if he was actually referring to Momo. We simply solve all cases here in parallel in Gamble Joe-Helpcenter multitasking mode

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Anonym

I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 11:42 am CEST#27
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Saphira wrote on 16.04.2024 at 01:51: I think for people with a normal feeling for money, wins of 50 or 100 k are utopia anyway. They are happy about 500 euros and can then go over the top, but come to their senses relatively quickly. That's what sundance sounds like. She overshot the mark once (gambled away the rent), then pulled the ripcord and is now only on the lowest bets because she generally enjoys playing. I don't think she's living beyond her means. She has a fixed limit that she sticks to. You're a completely different caliber, Needle. Sorry, but I don't think you have any relationship with money at all. Since it seems to be growing back on you somehow, you couldn't care less how much is lost. This fact alone also allows you to be unaware of the suffering caused by the threat of bankruptcy. In this respect, you lack this one important experience/fear. For you, it's more about having to win. A lot of time is lost in the process and that's a burden for you. You could change this immediately, but you don't. A lot of people have already suggested that you use all that money to go on a nice vacation or buy yourself something nice. I suspect you're simply bored of it. Which is a shame, because you yourself talk about the valuable time that just passes by in some stupid casinos/gambling halls. I think you're on a self-destructive path that won't end as long as the money keeps flowing in. It would be interesting to see how things would go if the flow of money dried up. But you can't compare your path with sundance at all. You would have to know the existential angst.

don't understand the article, no matter who needle is referring to.
he's saying nothing other than that you get used to wins, that more and more is needed for the kick and that, basically, lifetime is even more important than money. he's right about everything, nowhere does he compare himself.

why you're taking this as an opportunity to "analyze" him (every time such 'i know you' posts are weird anyway) - no idea.
and not helpful for the TE either.

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Anonym

I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 11:50 am CEST#28
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frapi07 wrote on 04/15/2024 04:04 PM:
You only stop when it's too late.

yes, unfortunately that's the case. why is that?
unfortunately, the boundaries of "too late" also shift over time.

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sundance
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 12:45 pm CEST#29
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Saphira wrote on 16.04.2024 at 01:51: I think for people with a normal feeling for money, wins of 50 or 100 k are utopia anyway. They are happy about 500 euros and can then go over the top, but come to their senses relatively quickly. That's what sundance sounds like. She overshot the mark once (gambled away the rent), then pulled the ripcord and is now only on the lowest bets because she generally enjoys playing. I don't think she's living beyond her means. She has a fixed limit that she sticks to. You're a completely different caliber, Needle. Sorry, but I don't think you have any relationship with money at all. Since it seems to be growing back on you somehow, you couldn't care less how much is lost. This fact alone also allows you to be unaware of the suffering caused by the threat of bankruptcy. In this respect, you lack this one important experience/fear. For you, it's more about having to win. A lot of time is lost in the process and that's a burden for you. You could change this immediately, but you don't. A lot of people have already suggested that you use all that money to go on a nice vacation or buy yourself something nice. I suspect you're simply bored of it. Which is a shame, because you yourself talk about the valuable time that just passes by in some stupid casinos/gambling halls. I think you're on a self-destructive path that won't end as long as the money keeps flowing in. It would be interesting to see how things would go if the flow of money dried up. But you can't compare your path with sundance at all. You would have to know the existential angst.

yes, that's right, Saphira, I have a limit of 150 a month - since I've learned (in the meantime, that was a struggle, because at some point you get so paralyzed and hypnotized when gambling that you just keep on spinning like a lunatic) to pay out even the smallest winnings and of course sometimes get something in the 3-digit range, I'm on the whole in a zero-sum game - that still leaves the waste of precious life time....but, as I said, even as a small child I could play all board games, including chess: I'm just a gamer. - Why I told my "little story" is the fact that I've heard exactly THAT super often: a big win the first time - so the proverbial "beginner's luck" doesn't seem to be a sailor's yarn, and I find that extremely curious, don't you? Yes, and the fact that my earnings were gone the next day was of course a nightmare - I had worked 12 or 14 hours for 4 weeks with the worst cold - but it was actually a stroke of luck, otherwise I probably wouldn't have reacted so - reasonably - prudently.

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frapi07
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I really messed up. Am I a gambling addict?

16th Apr. 2024, at 08:49 pm CEST#30
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Langhans wrote on 04/16/2024 10:16 AM:
But the analysis on Needle was still apt, even if he was actually referring to Momo. We simply solve all cases here in parallel in Gamble Joe Help Center multitasking mode

I never questioned that ^^ Of course needle doesn't have the existential fears that I or anyone else has. It makes a big difference whether I lose 10,000€ or someone who is not in a bad financial situation (house, car, good job, etc.).

Nevertheless, needle34 is not exactly wrong. As dazzle_tea already wrote, he's only addressing the problem of being dissatisfied with "smaller" wins over time. That applies to me too. I used to be extremely happy about a €50 win, but now I would consider it a +-0 (actually rather negative) because I know how much money I risked for so little "profit".

dazzle_tea wrote on 16.04.2024 at 11:50 am:

yes, unfortunately that's the case. why is that?
unfortunately, the boundaries of "too late" also shift over time.

Because we delude ourselves. Either to be able to win big again or because we simply lie to ourselves and then only realize it when we hit rock bottom.

A good 1-2 years ago, I was really tempted to make a 5-10k bonus buy. Simply because I was hoping for >100x. Even 130x (which is not much) would be a 3k win with a 10k bet.


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