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Kleinkariert

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12th Feb. 2020, at 12:59 am CET#41

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Ichbins2018 wrote on 11.02.2020 at 19:47
That gambling in this day and age can still be regulated I personally think is a rumor @Kleinkariert -and if our state begins to regulate, then predominantly only because he is concerned about his own advantage.
As for online casinos...here our state has for years only watched, knows that meanwhile every year billions are raked into the Auslang - and would like to soon under the pretext "gambling regulation" of course also have a piece of the cake.
My conclusion, an effective protection has never given it and will not give it also with the new gambling treaty (2021) - and is certainly not wanted.

What now the people to the man with the citizen King crown or other crying necks find so great is me really a mystery, I can not start anything at all with - and the one or the other Streamer reminds me (at best) already after 10 sec look at a cow which is affected by BSE, just sick.

It can be regulated, if DE enforces that with the 1000 € is a strong blow. The UKGC plans to introduce 2 € as Max. Bet and the whole industry is already in panic. The problem that online gambling has is that due to the high RTP (which is now trending lower and lower), taxes, licensing fees and other costs (employees, technology, ...) has only a narrow margin.

Currently, many casinos rely on their VIP high rollers, everything is done to retain customers through loyalty programs or the like. Videoslots used to be so pronounced that it was impossible to stop playing there, so I'm glad they cut that down. This made it possible to stop there.

I hope that DE doesn't back down and that casinos still apply, I'm just afraid that something like a 3 second delay like in Sweden might happen. This ruins the game more than banning free spins or spinning single reels. The Risk function can also go away, the play on more than 5 € can also be forbidden then you protect against most bonus rules automatically. Payout lock function, fast payouts and if already a player card is created then it will be possible to introduce the global verification. And not only that, you could also link individual information such as whether the bank account is sufficiently covered. So one could also go under the 1000 € loss. One should also prohibit credit cards for deposits.

How likely is it that something like this is regulated? Zero. So I agree with you that it is not wanted to make Player protection effective. Are you yourself in favor of a total ban that is enforced consistently? I tend to no, but the advantage would be that there are significantly fewer problem cases. At the same time, you would have to close all casinos like in Turkey, but there people have already started to hold underground Poker tournaments or they drive across the border and then play there in the casino. It would contain the whole but still very strong.

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12th Feb. 2020, at 01:16 am CET#42

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Kleinkariert wrote on 12.02.2020 at 00:59
It can be regulated, if DE enforces that with the 1000 € it is a strong blow. The UKGC is planning €2 as a max. Bet and the whole industry is already in panic. The problem that online gambling has is that due to the high RTP (which is now trending lower and lower), taxes, licensing fees and other costs (employees, technology, ...) has only a narrow margin.

Currently, many casinos rely on their VIP high rollers, everything is done to retain customers through loyalty programs or the like. Videoslots used to be so pronounced that it was impossible to stop playing there, so I'm glad they cut that down. This made it possible to stop there.

I hope that DE doesn't back down and that casinos still apply, I'm just afraid that something like a 3 second delay like in Sweden might happen. This ruins the game more than banning free spins or spinning single reels. The Risk function can also go away, the play on more than 5 € can also be forbidden then you protect against most bonus rules automatically. Payout lock function, fast payouts and if already a player card is created then it will be possible to introduce the global verification. And not only that, you could also link individual information such as whether the bank account is sufficiently covered. So one could also go under the 1000 € loss. One should also prohibit credit cards for deposits.

How likely is it that something like this is regulated? Zero. So I agree with you that it is not wanted to make Player protection effective. Are you yourself in favor of a total ban that is enforced consistently? I tend to no, but the advantage would be that there are significantly fewer problem cases. At the same time, you would have to close all casinos like in Turkey, but there people have already started to hold underground Poker tournaments or they drive across the border and then play there in the casino. It would contain the whole but still very strong.

I did not know that then also the maximum stake in the slot may only be 2 euros per turn. But how do you want to create the people per month only a maximum of 1000 euros can Deposit in casinos? Since Germany would have to completely block all casinos on the Internet, so that only people who are resident in Germany have access to the regulated casinos?

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12th Feb. 2020, at 01:30 am CET#43

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Falko wrote on 12.02.2020 at 01:16

I did not know that then also the maximum stake on the slot may only be 2 euros per spin. But how do you want to create that, the people per month only a maximum of 1000 euros can Deposit in casinos? Since Germany would have to completely block all casinos on the Internet, so that only people who are resident in Germany have access to the regulated casinos?

This is still under discussion. But there could be a digital player card, but it is also possible that it applies per casino and then the Player protection would be gone. The 2 € would be for now only for UK players; according to CM has someone at the negotiations said that 1 € Max Bet in DE at least in debate. Link I can later look out while I am missing even if CM is a German source.

More details should be known soon. March they want to decide the whole thing.

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Ichbins2018

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12th Feb. 2020, at 10:53 am CET#44

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Kleinkariert wrote on 12.02.2020 at 00:59
Are you yourself for a total ban that is consistently enforced? I tend to no, but advantage would be just that there are significantly fewer problem cases. At the same time you would have to close all casinos like in Turkey, but there people have already started to hold underground Poker tournaments or they drive across the border and then play there in the casino. It would contain the whole but still very strong.

Problem cases will always and everywhere give @Kleinkariert - also independently of the gambling and in today's society rather to than decrease.
Nevertheless, here it goes around gambling and I am despite miserabele experiences made by myself no friend of it the gambling to forbid
It's more the scam that p**ses me off, e.g. how (mainly) Online Casinos try to lure new players.
Starting with aggressive advertising on TV - a system that guarantees their own survival by pretending false facts - No Deposit Free Spins to keep people in line - to cut a long story short - actually everything that is more or less addictive in this trade or to promote a slide into addiction.

In addition, there are of course people who have no problems with gambling - who are not influenced by the above, who just want to have a little fun - and that should of course be granted to them.

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12th Feb. 2020, at 02:57 pm CET#45

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Ichbins2018 wrote on 12.02.2020 at 10:53 am
Problem cases will always and everywhere exist @Kleinkariert -also independent of gambling and in today's society rather increase than decrease.
Still, this is about gambling and I'm not a fan of banning gambling despite self-made miserable experiences
It's more the scam that p**ses me off, e.g. how (mainly) Online Casinos try to lure new players.
Starting with aggressive advertising on TV - a system that guarantees their own survival by pretending false facts - No Deposit Free Spins to keep people in line - to cut a long story short - actually everything that is more or less addictive in this trade or to promote a slide into addiction.

In addition, there are of course people who have no problems with gambling - who are not influenced by the above, who just want to have a little fun - and that should of course be granted to them.

What I do not understand why the Gambling addiction is always pointed to the play in the casino.gambling addiction there is also in the lottery or Eurolotto horse racing, or contests, solve puzzles, etc.Why does the state want just to this gambling addiction dran?Are we not already enough zugetextet with bans? But the state must come up with something, why a player times so incidentally allow a little money.Everything that could be in our favor, oh there we have to invent a new law very quickly.Who plays and at the end has no more money, which has just had bad luck. And who is upset about gambling addicts and points the finger should but look at themselves.Live and let live.The one has and the other not.

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12th Feb. 2020, at 04:09 pm CET#46

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So who nowadays still believes that regulations serve the protection of players is somewhere standing still

Whether online or offline it will never serve the Player protection but only the operators and the state in the cards play

Tr.5 is offline the best example the people lose all more than before I notice it myself of course there are also high wins there times 1k on novo 3k but in the long run you lose more than with Tr.4.1

I am also a strong critic of the 3 hour break because I personally think that this permanent time pressure is more addictive than that it brings something

Earlier you could if you had 300-500 € on it relaxed always continue to play and pay out Today you always have in the back of my mind I have to win now soon he throws everything out I have already heard from several people and what is the consequence? Right you put the EInsätze on Max and the devices eat in 80% everything away without much effort

I myself have made earlier from purchased 200 € until 00:00 and far into the next day from 06:00 clock 9k because you could play relaxed without time pressure

but now it is usually a struggle to come to 200 € then is soon break and you have no possibility to play relaxed because the complex devices always another restriction reindrücken the state side is so great for player protection

Online it runs at least without restrictions there you can also relaxed times play up to 5k

Should we now also be taken away I strongly consider emigrating this incapacitate on the lying argument player protection is to puke this greed for profit and all

If the whole thing would bring what I would be for it but it simply brings nothing in practice and any change only serves to calm these do-gooders who have no idea of the matter but must demonize everything and continue to earn strongly

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Ichbins2018

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12th Feb. 2020, at 06:48 pm CET#47

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Herould wrote on 02/12/2020 at 2:57 pm

What I do not understand why the Gambling addiction is always pointed to the play in the casino.gambling addiction there is also in the lottery or Eurolotto horse racing, or contests, solve puzzles, etc.Why does the state want to just to this gambling addiction dran?Are we not already enough zugetextet with bans?

Machine games are among the "hard" Games of chance and have the greatest addiction potential compared to other games of chance - and u m to be able to react appropriately to the dangers of gambling, there is just the State Treaty on Gambling (GlüStV).
The GLüSTV also has nothing to do with bans, but serves the general welfare.
E.g. Preventing the development of gambling addiction and creating the conditions for effective addiction control, as well as preventing gambling that is not permitted)

@Herould ---> "If you gamble and end up with no money, you're just out of luck."
This can be left quite so, however, this does not apply to gambling addicts, these will try on bend and break to satisfy the addiction - and be it (as almost with every addiction) by procurement crime!

@Herould ---> And who is upset about gambling addicts and points with the finger should but look at themselves.Live and let live.The one has and the other not.
Gambling addiction is a recognized disease - and personally I can't think of anything right now, why someone should not be sick or get upset because someone is sick?
Live and let live is also somewhat out of place in this context, at least I have not yet met any gambling addicts from whom I could claim, in the active addiction he / she still had a life at all.

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13th Feb. 2020, at 12:54 pm CET#48

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It's complete nonsense that it could somehow be regulated by the state. The casinos all operate from abroad, there are completely different laws than here. A regulation / control is offline in Spielorheken already difficult to enforce, but still possible.

And a Deposit limit of 1,000 euros? How should something like that be controlled at all? It is definitely not possible, as there are hundreds or even thousands of casinos by now.
Besides, even if it would work from a purely technical point of view, 1,000 euros is still way too high.
With such sums, players can continue to gamble away their entire fortune within a few minutes, unless you are a billionaire.

If then they would have to limit the Eonzahlungsmöglichleit in casinos to 50 euros / month maximum. Then banks, credit card providers, etc. should generally no longer allow transactions of more than 50 euros per month to casinos and the payment would be automatically rejected.
This is almost impossible to implement, because the casinos themselves would not support it if they previously had players who gambled away several 100k every month and were now only allowed to play 1,000.

But for the protection of players, such a measure would be completely pointless anyway. 1.000 euros, that's a huge fortune for 99.9 percent of the players, and many save for a lifetime.

No, something like that will NEVER be legal here, nor could it be regulated by the state, because the casinos are located abroad, and do not pay a single cent in taxes to the German state on their billion-dollar wins.

It would have to be completely banned these sites, or should not be possible for German players to access it.

Then maybe open 1 or 2 legal OC's with license in DE, which are state run and also controlled. Set the betting limit per month to max. 50 euros, the maximum payout to 500 euros, so similar to how it is already prescribed in arcades at machines.

These measures in the Spielos are already showing success. Most players go there hardly or not at all more, on due to the stricter regulations. However, these should also apply to online gambling, and should be just as strictly controlled as in real arcades.

Everything else makes little sense. And also do not believe that it should really be legal from next year here.
There will be no licenses, even for Schleswig-Holstein the licenses are now expired, and continue anyway. No one is interested, even the illegal advertising on TV continues.

At some point, however, everyone is caught who gambles illegally, and that gives harsh penalties then. The operators of the casinos sit abroad, mostly Malta or Coracau, etc. and can therefore never be prosecuted.

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13th Feb. 2020, at 01:18 pm CET#49

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I have a question, vl has someone experience with it. I have not only gambled away my win but also made debts, but what makes things complicated, I was able to transfer immediately without account coverage, about 5000 €, the amount was not debited from the bank, but I have received on the casino account minus 5000 and also a mail with the request to settle the debt. Does anyone know anything about this? Like. Can such a thing even be possible? I have now replied that I can repay 50-100€ per month, more is not possible 😂😂

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13th Feb. 2020, at 01:44 pm CET#50

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Andy_1980 wrote on 13.02.2020 at 12:54 pm
There will be no licenses, even for Schleswig-Holstein the licenses are now expired yes, and still continue. No one cares, even the illegal advertising on TV continues.

Misinformed!

Players*innen with permanent residence in SH may play in Online Casinos with German license .
The TV is also not illegal but is aimed exclusively at players from SH.

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