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Gambling addiction in general: Gambling addiction (Page 3)

Topic created on 03rd Feb. 2020 | Page: 3 of 14 | Answers: 132 | Views: 29,697
gamble1
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Gambling addiction

9th Feb. 2020, at 11:18 pm CET#21
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How do you even earn 2-3 € an hour ?

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 01:21 am CET#22
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gamble1 wrote on 09.02.2020 at 23:07
So I pay out relatively often amounts of over 1,000 € also sometimes only 100 € Deposit but of course you always lose in the end but the chance to win is better than in Spielos that I can say because I am active in both

"only 100 euros deposit", well, if it is not much money for you .... but that's fine, and 1,000 euros pay out, is also only 10-fold win in the end. If it works approx. with 1 of 10 attempts, it is however already large luck. Then have but also certainly 10,000 euros deposited to be able to pay out once 1,000 euros.

Most start small, with 1 euro deposit so once a week, and sometimes you come to 10 euros, which you can pay out. It just goes damn fast, then 10 euros are not a win, you try to get to 20 euros, which then usually does not work. For me, 20 euros are already a lot of money, must work long for it and you can live on it 1 whole week.

So, 100 euros deposit or something I could never do, I have the whole month to live and must be enough. If you've won 1,000, then you also quickly deposit 1,000 euros and more again, which are online within a few minutes gone again.

I get daily 100te mails of bonus offers etc. 200 percent, 400 percent and more .... It is already damn dangerous and tempts to deposits. In Spielos is there far less dangerous, because you can only deposit 10 euros or so at machines and only 1 device may still play.

So no one can lose there more 10,000 euros or so in an hour, but online the whole thing is completely uncontrolled and nothing regulated.
Even if you win well, the casinos also know that it is illegal to play in Germany, so they do not have to pay out anything.
You can't sue for a win either, because you make yourself a multiple offence as a player with every deposit, actually. Illegal gambling, money laundering, tax evasion, black money transactions constantly back and forth, etc. Well, with amounts like 10 or 20 euros will happen there nothing if it is not noticeable, but if it is about a few thousands, then yes, that falls in any case on sometime and you are then but right on with something.

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 02:56 am CET#23
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Andy_1980 wrote on 10.02.2020 at 01:21
"Deposit only 100 euros", well, if it's not much money for you .... but that's fine, and pay out 1,000 euros, is also only 10-fold win ultimately. If it works approx. with 1 of 10 attempts, it is however already large luck. Then you have but also certainly paid 10,000 euros to be able to pay out once 1,000 euros.

Most start small, with 1 euro deposit so once a week, and sometimes you come to 10 euros, which you can pay out. It just goes damn fast, then 10 euros are not a win, you try to get to 20 euros, which then usually does not work. For me, 20 euros are already a lot of money, must work long for it and you can live on it 1 whole week.

So, 100 euros deposit or something I could never do, I have the whole month to live and must be enough. If you've won 1,000, then you also quickly deposit 1,000 euros and more again, which are online within a few minutes gone again.

I get daily 100te mails of bonus offers etc. 200 percent, 400 percent and more .... It is already damn dangerous and tempts to deposits. In Spielos is there far less dangerous, because you can only deposit 10 euros or so at machines and only 1 device may still play.

So no one can lose there more 10,000 euros or so in an hour, but online the whole thing is completely uncontrolled and nothing regulated.
Even if you win well, the casinos also know that it is illegal to play in Germany, so they do not have to pay out anything.
You can't sue for a win either, because you make yourself a multiple offence as a player with every deposit, actually. Illegal gambling, money laundering, tax evasion, black money transactions constantly back and forth, etc. Well, with amounts like 10 or 20 euros will happen there nothing if it is not noticeable, but if it is about a few thousands, then yes, that falls in any case on sometime and you are then but right on with something.

Either you are trolling or are not quite familiar with Online Casinos that have an EU license.

Criminal because of money laundering and tax evasion you do not make. Only participation in gambling would have relevance.

With 100 € to live I would not even deposit a cent online. Deposit online only if you have surplus.

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 08:49 am CET#24
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Andy_1980 wrote on 09.02.2020 at 20:38
of course I know that you can play on 100 euros / spin and 100,000 euros online within a few minutes to gamble. But you have to have the money first. I'm just surprised that there are people who have thousands of euros just to gamble away. The money usually does not come from legal sources. That's why no casino will ever pay out such high wins, even if you are not verified. There is also no legal claim to it. Here in the forum, enough people write that they do not get paid even with a win of 1,000 euros. It also makes no sense to simply Deposit high amounts somewhere.

It runs but in the end at all casinos the same, in the beginning you get 10 euros free, then it runs up to about 1,000 euros, but you never get the money, you can pay out maybe 50 or 100 euros. But even that's a lot of money and it's enough to get you hooked and then you start depositing your own money. And then it never works again, maybe once a year, you get to 50 or 100 euros win, when you have 1,000 euros of your own money but at least already deposited.

Normally it should be generally forbidden, the online game, it is actually also, it is just tolerated. But the addiction is a serious disease and makes many people totally broken, psychologically and physically and many then just commit serious crimes to get more money.

In the worst case, you end up permanently in a closed psychiatric ward because of such crap, and that is certainly not worth it.
It goes on until you are homeless, don't have a cent for food, all accounts have been cancelled by the banks, etc. Only then can you get clean and stop using. Only then can you get clean and stop.

In addition, most banks now also pay more attention to it, if they notice that too high transactions to and from dubious casinos often take place, they can also immediately terminate or block all accounts. Recently, there have been cases where even accounts have been blocked because of winnings payments of 50 euros or less. It is just black money and with high sums, the banks are obliged to report it to the authorities. Then you can really get real problems and even jail or forensics in the worst case.


I actually started with 1000€ of saved money and so I played my way up to this amount. As for the thing with the banks, I have experience with that by now. One bank has already terminated my bank account because of Online Casinos and I had to prove a lot when making a withdrawal, but until now I have received every withdrawal in the end. The legal/illegal is so hypocritical, the nations and the EU should agree. Concerning tax office etc. I don't worry anymore, because I have gambled away everything anyway and have a diagnosis on paper that I am pathologically addicted to gambling, which is also true. I am also in favor of a general ban, but to be fair I must also say that I am in favor of it because I can't handle it myself and have been suffering from it for years. Theoretically it is natural pure rip-off, but then alcohol AND cigarettes should be banned as well. It's hard to say what laws would make sense

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T****i

Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 11:00 am CET#25
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As a gambler you know that in the end it doesn't matter if you gamble away the 40k in one night or in one month.

The bitter thing is that you could have had a really good time in the month, parallel to gambling...

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 02:20 pm CET#26
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Andy_1980 wrote on 10.02.2020 at 01:21
"Deposit only 100 euros", well, if it's not much money for you .... but that's fine, and pay out 1,000 euros, is also only 10-fold win ultimately. If it works approx. with 1 of 10 attempts, it is however already large luck. Then you have but also certainly paid 10,000 euros to be able to pay out once 1,000 euros.

Most start small, with 1 euro deposit so once a week, and sometimes you come to 10 euros, which you can pay out. It just goes damn fast, then 10 euros are not a win, you try to get to 20 euros, which then usually does not work. For me, 20 euros are already a lot of money, must work long for it and you can live on it 1 whole week.

So, 100 euros deposit or something I could never do, I have the whole month to live and must be enough. If you've won 1,000, then you also quickly deposit 1,000 euros and more again, which are online within a few minutes gone again.

I get daily 100te mails of bonus offers etc. 200 percent, 400 percent and more .... It is already damn dangerous and tempts to deposits. In Spielos is there far less dangerous, because you can only deposit 10 euros or so at machines and only 1 device may still play.

So no one can lose there more 10,000 euros or so in an hour, but online the whole thing is completely uncontrolled and nothing regulated.
Even if you win well, the casinos also know that it is illegal to play in Germany, so they do not have to pay out anything.
You can't sue for a win either, because you make yourself a multiple offence as a player with every deposit, actually. Illegal gambling, money laundering, tax evasion, black money transactions constantly back and forth, etc. Well, with amounts like 10 or 20 euros will happen there nothing if it is not noticeable, but if it is about a few thousands, then yes, that falls in any case on sometime and you are then but right on with something.

do not get me wrong 100 € are a lot of money that are also better invested elsewhere than in gambling I just wanted to say that it is quite possible to win alone in December I have of 15 deposits a 100 € 8 times 1,000 € and 2 times 2,700 € Ausgezahlt

In the aftermath I have of course gambled away much again but it was already on my E-wallet so I have won at least in this period with these stakes now January, February I have more deposited than paid out but have also come a few times on 1-2k

If you really earn so little I would leave playing altogether or just put a few weeks a few € on the side and then play with it

In the end we all lose I have now since I started at 16 at machines in kebab stores until now with 24 years certainly two houses gambled away from savings and credit card from Dad I had for a long time on my name summarized

It is only worthwhile if one cracks a million Jackpot and this insight has been missing for a long time since one sometimes had 10k 20k 30k at once one fades out that one has gambled away then vill 50k in the last months years

that the majority now only 1 € deposits I doubt

How do you come to these numbers?

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 03:25 pm CET#27
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gamble1 wrote on 10.02.2020 at 14:20
do not get me wrong 100 € are a lot of money that are also better invested elsewhere than in gambling I just wanted to say that it is quite possible to win alone in December I have of 15 deposits a 100 € 8 times 1,000 € and 2 times 2,700 € paid out

In the aftermath I have of course gambled away much again but it was already on my E-wallet so I have won at least in this period with these stakes now January, February I have more deposited than paid out but have also come a few times on 1-2k

If you really earn so little I would leave playing altogether or just put a few weeks a few € on the side and then play with it

In the end we all lose I have now since I started at 16 at machines in kebab stores until now with 24 years certainly two houses gambled away from savings and credit card from Dad I had for a long time on my name summarized

It is only worthwhile if one cracks a million Jackpot and this insight has been missing for a long time because sometimes one had 10k 20k 30k at once one fades out that one has gambled away then vill 50k in the last months years

that the majority now only 1 € deposits I doubt

How do you come to these numbers?

of course not, if one is already heavily addicted, then clearly no one pays more only 1 euro, but it always starts with small amounts so .... and often it works out with win the first time, with Deposit of 1 or 10 euros, and you win immediately 100 euros, or 1,000 euros and more. But then it is already too late and from the addiction you will NEVER get out again then. The next time, everyone will already bet far more than just 1 or 10 euros, if he has actually won so high only once in life, and the money really got paid out.

Online gambling is far more dangerous than all other types of legal gambling, ......
I don't know a single gambler who would bet 20,000 euros in a single lottery draw, for example, because everyone knows that 99.999999 percent of the money is completely gone. But with online slots, people always believe that they can win much more, that the probability is higher than, for example, in the lottery. The game is like consuming hard drugs, even more extreme, because much more money is involved, and the slots are being developed further and further, so that the player is addicted even faster, and pays in more and more, even money that he doesn't have. Online it is possible, but even reputable Finazdienstleister such as banks and PayPal have distanced themselves from it and no longer support such tranakrionen, even with Paysafcard you can in many casinos nix more deposit, thus also not remain anonymous and no more wins pay out.

The arcades are harmless even against it, there you can only veezocken money, which you really own, so in the hand has. Then one considers it rather, whether one now 10 euro really again gambles away or or rather something to meal buys itself from it, finally one had to work for it for a long time. Online everything is virtual, you don't have a cent of money in your hands to be able to gamble, it comes for most then like play money .... because even after a big win you have the money just not directly in hand, you often have to wait up to 1 week for the payout, and whether you get it at all is more than uncertain. If you are addicted, then it does not matter what the amount is, because in the week how long the payout takes, almost everyone gambles it away again completely. I read that here very often from others.

And as I said, even the sums are but no matter .... For me, 10 or 20 euros are a lot of money, and has also happened more often that I have gambled away the win again before it was paid out. Because I could have lived on it for another week.

Even if you own millions, win and gamble away the 10-fold again, in the end nobody has a cent win. Even 10 euros are worth more to me than maybe 10,000 euros to many here. But still is an addiction, serious disease. And you can still be addicted, even if you only deposit 10 or 20 euros and gambles away.

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 06:04 pm CET#28
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Tolinski wrote on 10.02.2020 at 11:00: As a gambler you know that in the end it doesn't matter if you gamble away the 40k in one night or in one month.

The bitter thing is that you could have had a really good time in the month, parallel to gambling...

Sure, but the whole thing is still very hard to digest. I'm still not over it, for people like me there is only the possibility to stop completely, I thought if I times so much wins I let it, but how I have pushed down to 50-100€ shocks me now still. You feel in everyday life how much 100€ are worth, thanks to the crappy gambling I now have to get by with 100€ until about 6.märz, then comes just this I would have only this and this blabla and the feelings of guilt etc., really difficult to deal with it

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10th Feb. 2020, at 06:06 pm CET#29
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Andy_1980 wrote on 10.02.2020 at 15:25
of course not, if one is already heavily addicted, then clearly no one pays more only 1 euro, but it starts just always with small amounts so .... and often it works out yes with win the first time, with Deposit of 1 or 10 euros, and you win immediately 100 euros, or 1,000 euros and more. But then it is already too late and from the addiction you will NEVER get out again then. The next time, everyone will already bet far more than just 1 or 10 euros, if he has actually won so high only once in life, and the money really got paid out.

Online gambling is far more dangerous than all other types of legal gambling, ......
I don't know a single gambler who would bet 20,000 euros in a single lottery draw, for example, because everyone knows that 99.999999 percent of the money is completely gone. But with online slots, people always believe that they can win much more, that the probability is higher than, for example, in the lottery. The game is like consuming hard drugs, even more extreme, because much more money is involved, and the slots are being developed further and further, so that the player is addicted even faster, and pays in more and more, even money that he doesn't have. Online it is possible, but even reputable Finazdienstleister such as banks and PayPal have distanced themselves from it and no longer support such tranakrionen, even with Paysafcard you can in many casinos nix more deposit, thus also not remain anonymous and no more wins pay out.

The gambling halls are even against it still harmless, there one can veezocken only money, which one also really possesses, thus in the hand has. Then one considers it rather, whether one now 10 euro really again gambles away or or rather something to meal buys itself from it, finally one had to work for it for a long time. Online everything is virtual, you don't have a cent of money in your hands to be able to gamble, it comes for most then like play money .... because even after a big win you have the money just not directly in hand, you often have to wait up to 1 week for the payout, and whether you get it at all is more than uncertain. If you are addicted, then it does not matter what the amount is, because in the week how long the payout takes, almost everyone gambles it away again completely. I read that here very often from others.

And as I said, even the sums are but no matter .... for me, 10 or 20 euros are a lot of money, and has also happened more often that I have gambled away the win again before it was paid out. Because I could have lived on it for another week.

Even if you own millions, win and gamble away the 10-fold again, in the end nobody has a cent win. Even 10 euros are worth more to me than maybe 10,000 euros to many here. But still is an addiction, serious disease. And you can still be addicted, even if you only deposit 10 or 20 euros and gambles away.

Are you self sufficient or how exactly do you live on 10€/week? Do you eat only rice noodles and potatoes?

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Gambling addiction

10th Feb. 2020, at 06:10 pm CET#30
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You are right with many things @Andy_1980,
but you should not overlook that:
on the one hand, not everyone who plays (although extremely favorable conditions for taking "digital heroin" have been created) is or becomes addicted to gambling.
Secondly, I have never met anyone who you can stop from playing, regardless of whether the game is legal or illegal - and certainly you can not teach players in a forum where the "active" play has top priority

In short (and I really don't mean this in a bad way) I personally find such contributions like yours good,
however, I think "such" here for quite sense-purposeless...just because as I already wrote, the player here in the first instance animated / triggered to Risk a few euros

Edit: of course you can write here what you want - and if it helps you, go ahead...
However, there are what your addiction (and you like to write) better forums for you!

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