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Gambling addiction in general: 2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

Topic created on 20th Jul. 2017 | Page: 1 of 1 | Answers: 9 | Views: 2,117
c****7

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

20th Jul. 2017, at 11:05 pm CEST#1
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Hi, really need to get something off my chest right now.
I've been playing on and offline for over 20 years. But 2017 is for me the sheer horror.

In the last years I could halfway reconcile gaming with my life by seeing it as a hobby (and hobbies cost money), keeping accurate records of profit and loss and setting a monthly budget. In the month I spent on average 800-1000 EUR for it, sometimes I won, sometimes I lost. Like 99.99% of all players, never the big win and always lose a little more than win. This went on for years, of course I had a blowup, I lost 2000 EUR in one day, but shortly after that I always won something again, so that it evens out. But 2017, is a disaster. Without changing my gambling habits, I lost 14,000 EUR by May without further ado, 300% of what is normal in the period despite always playing the same games and stakes. In June I had selective lucky streaks and was able to make up 5500 EUR. As of 1.7.17 8,500 EUR minus. This is still too much on average (800-1000 per current month) but I was confident that it will normalize now. Wrong thought. It started a streak of bad luck unparalleled, every single play session ended with a high loss. Example this week. Sunday -800 EUR, Monday -800 EUR, Tuesday -1100 EUR, Wednesday Supergau -2600 EUR. You just want to throw yourself off a bridge. I am now in July and we have only reached the 20th at around 20,000 EUR annual loss, that is total madness, around 350% of the normal loss in the period. I'm all done and dusted.
Now I have to say one thing, I'm not a dreamer, you don't get the big profit, I have already made millions of EUR in bets in my life and the 20, 50 or 100 T or even more were never there. But I know someone who has bet 1000 EUR in his life, if it comes up, and has won over a million (Lotto). So there are also such people, but I am not granted. The way I play, always constant (no lotto ) you can make out a certain loss of hours in the long run. I also like to play Blackjack, a game with very high odds for the player if you follow the Basic Blackjack Strategy (over 99%). So it is absolutely incomprehensible to me how over such a long period of time (7 months) such statistical deviations are possible, it just can't be. It's not like there was ever a year in my playing career where I had plus, short streaks yes, but never a year plus.

Currently I am at a loss, 800 EUR a month I can afford for my hobby, but the way things are going I will go bankrupt this year. A few thousand EUR a week is ruinous.

So my question to you, after 2017 is such a debacle, how would you handle the situation? Continue playing trusting the math that it will balance out or take a break or think about quitting altogether, even though I don't know how that would be after actually being a gambler all my life, but on the other hand I just don't want to lose the little bit of life savings I've built up just like that and become a welfare case. The 5300 EUR from Sunday to Wednesday were already a whole savings book for me.

I would be very happy to receive your suggestions and thoughts on the events I have described, as well as input on your situation.

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S****8

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

21st Jul. 2017, at 12:13 am CEST#2
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hi ...I am only a "small" gambler, so the amounts you spend there, I would be a social case ...I would advise you a therapy.
Because your gambling behavior clearly points to an addiction!
The more you hope for a "big" or "mega" win, the higher your losses will be!

Take a long break ! Block yourself everywhere ! Treat yourself to material or emotional things from which you also have something and they last a long time, let you support from friends ... good friends who manage your money or have the hand on it ...

blah blah ...

ok ...just don't know or understand how you can put so much into these OC's ...there is no understanding for me !

Wish you with all my heart that you get this under control !

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c****7

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

21st Jul. 2017, at 12:34 am CEST#3
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Hello,

thanks for the feedback. The amounts mentioned are much smaller than they used to be, I have cut down on gambling a lot over the years, the amounts used to be much larger. About 7 years it worked out with the 800-1000 EUR per month, only in 2017 it got out of hand without any change in gaming habits. Gaming is a pure hobby and hobbies cost money. For example, I never go on vacation, airport, hotel, etc. is a horror to me, so everyone burns his money in other ways.

I don't see any reason for a therapy, I don't play compulsively, only the financial deviation this year causes me headaches. For better or worse, I'm going to stop playing for a while, because it's getting too expensive for me when it costs 5-10K per month.

One more note, I don't play in Online Casinos anymore, the amounts mentioned above are all through offline play. In online casinos I have consistently blocked myself because
1) the inhibition threshold from home is too big and you have no feeling for money, whether 50 cents or 50 EUR per spin, is just a mouse click.
2) you don't have your winnings immediately and too often you gamble away your winnings, with pending time you are de facto robbed of your money.
3) I have too often discovered operator cheating and fraud, such as cheating on the terms and conditions, non-payment, license violations (mind you we are talking about MGA and Gibraltar licensed sites, not any Curacao rip-offs) and you can do nothing. And the biggest crooks are the MGA themselves, they do not act in the best interest of the players. For example, the MGA has banned me, they refuse to process my requests, because I complained too often. If you don't believe me, I will gladly send you the correspondence. Security and Player protection my ass.

For this reason I no longer play online. Have this year had a relapse and even won 1800 EUR, then again 200 EUR gambled away and the account permanently locked. Mostly at the beginning something goes and then the big losing starts.

Small note still, "good friends" I do not give money to manage, no one should do. My own lawyer screwed me 10 years ago for 25,000 EUR, so you can trust no one in this world.

The most interesting point is Sweep's aspect, you should treat yourself materially and let good friends support you. The bad thing is, I have no material desire, I have everything I want. Not that I am rich, but I can walk through the mall with 5000 EUR and there is nothing that I want. I am not really a materialist. For me, money in gaming is like a high score in pinball, just a measure of success, purchasing power has no meaning for me. Maybe if you win 1 million, but that doesn't happen anyway since I don't play the lottery.
Friends I have hardly, because I'm always working and have no time for it, now and then I meet times but I'm rather a loner, is in my nature.

But interesting post, would be happy if more comes and all the best to all players here in the forum!

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Daniel
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2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

21st Jul. 2017, at 01:05 am CEST#4
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2017 started extremely well for me! And then it went up, down and in the end only down. I won 10K on Casumo and gambled it away the same day. Then I was still in PLus and satisfied and did the first right step: let me block everywhere for 6 months. This was unfortunately not so successful, because I then played in all previously unknown to me casinos and because it was sometimes too stupid to verify me, I gambled away winnings again, which I would normally have paid out.

I can only advise you to take a longer break of at least 3 months. You come or are in the phase where the fun (really) stops and you are only interested in recovering your losses - even if only partially. But most of the time this does not work. When I got into such a phase in the past it ALWAYS ruined me! How you do it with the break, I can't tell you. In Malta it's relatively cool. You go to a casino, get blocked for 6 months and have your peace offline. In Germany, as far as I know, you can only be blocked for life and then there are still gaming houses and machines in pubs, snack bars & Co.

I don't know what you do, but if you can work independently of time and place, then go to Thailand for 3 or 4 months - gambling is completely banned there and you can live very cheaply.

By the way, I know that about the shopping mall from myself. When I walk with other people through such a mall, most (normal) people dream of some Rolex watches, some special luxury junk or some expensive cars. Then I always think: "Man, this is just a crappy watch". In principle, I hardly need anything. If I didn't gamble, I would have saved so much money that I wouldn't have to work for the next 8 years.

About the MGA story. Feel free to open a new thread here on that topic. That's what the forum is for. Is very interesting and I have not heard so far.

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Anonym

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

21st Jul. 2017, at 01:25 am CEST#5
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Hello chmi77,

i have to agree with you completely. I have been playing very intensively for a total of 8 years now. It is as you have already described
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. In the long run, of course, you lose more than you win, but it's not too bad with the losses, if here and there some winnings come back

For me, 2017 is by an extremely wide margin the worst gambling year of all. I have now already a total of 13 months persistent losing streak ( 6 months offline and 7 months online ). 10 times out of 10 I lose and am not even 10 euros up. It's hard to believe that it's not against you personally, if you only lose on such a long period

I mean: you can have bad luck 1 time, you can have bad luck 10 times. Yes from me even 50 times ( if it runs extremely badly )
But I am now actually already 218 times in a row with the total loss was blasted

I can't explain myself how such a strong deviation of the profit/loss margin comes about

Actually, one can only stop there, but the hope dies with me last. I hope that it will simply stabilize again at some point

I wish this for you too. LG

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J****r

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

21st Jul. 2017, at 01:25 am CEST#6
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The sums that you write are already violent, I can not talk. With me it is, fortunately I must say so that I am a little choleric disposition . That is, I get so angry as soon as I have the feeling to be cheated. I'm willing to spend money for my fun, only if not even more fun is given, I'm out. "I can also screw myself" I often think to myself or I also think to myself "you won't get a cent more from me", that was the last time with you. And that's what I do and I'm abstinent for a few weeks. If I were an alcoholic, I'd probably be called a quarter drinker. You can only hit them over 0 deposit. Everything else is a laughing matter for them and for you in the end. You can't force your luck and if you Deposit 100k / month, you'll never see that money again. Therefore, I have only 2 real favorite casinos and now and then I test new ones.
Nevertheless, I also know such a Einzahlungsveralten, as you describe it, from me earlier. Only halt with lower sums. I am glad that it is so. Otherwise I would already be out of the window...
in 2017, June was the best month. From March to May, however, I have not played, just for the reasons described.

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c****7

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

21st Jul. 2017, at 01:19 pm CEST#7
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Thanks to all who have contributed, I think I will make the next time game free, that was just too heavy the week and the last few months. To get the money back in I can slave away 6 days a week for 15 hours a day for a few months. (work not play)
When I was younger, I was more heavy into it and really would have put a five figure amount in my hand and gone to the casino to gamble all or nothing. However, I don't like to do that anymore, it doesn't lead to anything good. You really gamble with your life.
I was once completely broke with six-figure debts thanks to gambling, and I got it all over with in a few years and built something up again, and I don't want to put that at Risk again. Nevertheless, very bitter the whole thing. I also tend to take bad luck personally, as Hammerdammer said. The problem is also that the more you are in the red, the crazier you play. For example, I was in the real casino and put a 50 in a machine and played BOR with 2 EUR. 30 FS with K and 350 EUR won, immediately put on 5 EUR, got 5 statues (375 EUR), then had so 600 on the clock, of course put on 10 EUR and then everything was gone without another FS. Then put a 50 in various machines and immediately played on 5 EUR and really never came what. Normally you should have taken the 600, but you do not. And at the tables liefs even more shitty.

Speaking of Daniel, I'll gladly forward you the MGA correspondence, would need an email from you, where this should go.

All the best to all the players here and don't gamble away your last shirt, even if you used to have a lot of shirts in your closet, if you only have one or two left, it's better than not having one anymore...

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Daniel
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21st Jul. 2017, at 08:25 pm CEST#8
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chmi77 wrote on 07/21/2017 at 1:19 pm

Speaking of Daniel, I'd be happy to forward you the MGA correspondence, would need an email from you as to where that should go.

Email can be found in the imprint.

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c****7

2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

25th Jul. 2017, at 12:22 am CEST#9
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Daniel wrote on 07/21/2017 at 8:25 PM
chmi77 wrote on 07/21/2017 at 1:19 pm

Speaking of Daniel, I'd be happy to forward you the MGA correspondence, would need an email from you as to where that should go.

Email can be found in the imprint.

I have sent you something. Didn't have time earlier, I'm just working.

As soon as I find further correspondence and there is more, it goes out to you.
Who annoys the MGA too often, stands alone.

In this sense.

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Daniel
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2017 - gamer horror year - your suggestions and thoughts are welcome

25th Jul. 2017, at 05:43 am CEST#10
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I have roughly skimmed over it. You are welcome to publish it here with your permission (without your personal data, of course). However, I am of the opinion that you also bear a share of responsibility here, even if I criticize the overall condition or am affected by this problem myself.

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