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sunnyplayer: Sunnyplayer refuses full payout (bonus+wins canceled)

Topic created on 10th May. 2019 | Page: 1 of 2 | Answers: 10 | Views: 4,887
Marcelk
Hello Gamblejoe Community,

I made a win of 5.830,84 € at the weekend at the online casino / sports betting Provider Sunnyplayer by means of several sports bets. In addition, it should be said that I had already paid out there in the past without any problems a total of more than 1,900 € after using bonuses. I have also always had good experiences with the partner casino sunmaker and have been able to pay out all my wins without any problems countless times in the past.


After I requested a payout via PayPal after fulfilling the bonus conditions (this must be split into 2 individual payouts at PayPal if the amount is over € 5,000), documents were requested a little later (the usual, so ID and address confirmation). I immediately complied with this request and so my documents were also confirmed on the same day. A few days passed without a confirmed payout. Since I was used to my withdrawals being processed there very quickly, I asked once in the Live Chat, where I was told that it can take a little longer for some withdrawals, this is quite normal. So I continued to wait as normal.


Then I checked my account on Thursday and saw that my withdrawal was declined. The live chat assured me that I would receive an email explaining this. A little later, the said email from sunnyplayer management actually reached me. There I was immediately surprised because I found only a one-liner about the situation


"Due to the violation of the regulations, your bonus and the most recent wins made with it had to be cancelled and the stake of your bets on your deposited balance corrected."


As a result, I immediately asked for a more detailed explanation of the situation or the accusation by replying to the email. In my Sunnyplayer account are subsequently still 3789,20 € found, it was therefore still missing an amount of 2041,64 € (which were "removed" after the e-mail or by the bonus cancellation). The first part of 3789,20 € I could at least pay out successfully, these are also credited to my PayPal account in the meantime. But in my opinion, I am still entitled to the payout of the remaining 2041.64 €, which I have successfully implemented quite normal in the form of a bonus.


On my renewed inquiry to the Sunnyplayer management took place this morning an explanation


"However, when dealing with the Bonus money we provide, we have to pay close attention to our regulations. We award bonus in order to be able to provide additional gaming credit to all players. In order to ensure a fair distribution of this offer, we have rules in place to ensure fair access to these funds for all, and to regulate the allocation and use of this money.


Since many of our bonus offers are primarily aimed at casino customers, there are a number of rules regarding the use of the bonus in sports betting that precisely regulate the use of the bonus and prevent sports betting customers from using the bonus to gain an advantage over casino customers. (through e.g. Risk minimization, accumulation of multiple Bonuses and the like).


Apart from the fact that the company is basically free to withdraw the offers it has made itself, the bonus cancellation is justified, among other things, by violations of these regulations (bonus accumulation, risk minimization) and has been confirmed by the competent body. Unfortunately, the bonus provided by us together with the corresponding game results cannot be credited back to your account.


We hope we were able to justify our approach in a comprehensible manner and clarify with the reasons presented that ultimately it is about the fair design of our offers and equal opportunities for all gaming participants and agents."



Again, in my opinion, this does not explain any violation I am alleged to have committed that warrants a credit cancellation. While I am glad that Sunnyplayer paid out the portion of the "real money" directly, I nevertheless lack an explanation here (including associated evidence) as to which regulations I am supposed to have violated and why this caused the bonus portion of 2041,64 € to be cancelled just like that. So I feel "cheated" of the full win and hope here in the forum help to my case.


PS: I know myself that Sunnyplayer/Sunmaker have an excellent reputation and exactly the experience I have also made myself for years, so it surprises me now but even more that here - from my point of view - for inexplicable reasons my bonus including the wins was canceled. I am also aware that there would probably be providers who would have canceled the complete 5800 €, yet I do not understand why Sunnyplayer takes the right to cancel the bonus portion. With this topic I do not want to attack this good reputation of the casino / sports betting provider, I just wish a fair and understandable treatment.

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Anonym
I would be interested to know which bonus you have claimed exactly. Most of the time, the bonus offers are personalized and the terms and conditions can be found in the Deposit section. At least they are visible there. Since their bonus offers are mostly fair, I wonder exactly what the problem is. I suspect that you bet on games that may have had a low qoute which is not allowed. Most of the time this is at least 1.80 when claiming a bonus?

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Marcelk
I claimed the "Surprise Bonus: May 4" which is a 50% to €300 bonus. There I then deposited 600€ and thus had a total of 900€ credit.
Then - as usual - the turnover requirements i.H.v. 4x Deposit and bonus amount with sports bets fulfilled (thereby were all odds between 2.0 and 4.5; so the minimum odds of 1.8 always met).

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Anonym
Did you venture the Bonuses in the given period?


Did you violate this rule, if applicable?

The player may receive Bonus money from the company when participating in a bonus promotion. This bonus money and the real money used as qualification for the bonus can only be used for products and games listed in the bonus information.

If 2 or more bets are placed on different outcomes of the same bet or the same event (sports and casino), the entire bonus will be void.


Accumulation of several bonuses for placing on a single betting event in the form of one or more identical bets is also not allowed.

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Marcelk
Did you venture the Bonuses in the given period?

Yes, I played through the bonus within 2 days (you have a total of 14 days).


Did you violate this rule?
[...]

No, I have only placed single bets on one event. So no "double" bets or similar placed.

Moreover, it was always only about the mentioned 50% bonus, no other bonuses were active there.

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Anonym
The case is very difficult for me, because the explanation on the part of sunnyplayer was formulated in a vague, but also definite manner.

After all, it says "S portwetten a set of rules that precisely regulates the use of the bonus and prevents sports betting customers with the bonus to get an advantage over casino customers. (through e.g. Risk minimization, accumulation of multiple Bonuses and the like).

Have you played with a sports betting bonus and then switched to casino slots?


Apart from the fact that the company is in principle free to withdraw the offers it has made itself, the bonus cancellation is justified, among other things, by violations of these regulations (bonus accumulation, risk minimization) and has been confirmed by the competent body.


If I have not misunderstood the statement means that they are free to withdraw certain bonus offers. Maybe they just did that in your case

Another thing that comes to mind. Did you use a bonus, if applicable, venture to the end and then finally used another Deposit bonus?


Finally, you have the possibility to turn on the MGA. Maybe one of the moderators here has contact to employees of Sunnyplayer, who may be able to solve the case.

After all, you are asking for clarification in your case. In your place, I would also be surprised and would not dare to play in the future, because you can violate any bonus condition of which you have no idea

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Anonym
Bonus accumulation and Risk mitigation <- these are the two reasons in my opinion that led to the cancellation.

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Marcelk

Did you play with a sports betting bonus and then switch to casino slots?

No, the full bonus was played with sports betting only, there were no switches to casino.


Which reminds me. Did you use a bonus if applicable, wager to finish and then eventually use another Deposit bonus?

No, although as far as I know that would even be okay at Sunmaker/Sunnyplayer.



After all, you are asking for clarification in your case. In your place, I would also be surprised and would not dare to play in the future, because you can violate any bonus condition of which you have no idea

Bonus accumulation and Risk minimization <- these are the two reasons in my opinion that led to the cancellation.

That is exactly what I am trying to point out: I have been betting normally (as usual via Sunmaker/Sunnyplayer before) and never had any problems. Now the behavior of sunnyplayer seems incomprehensible to me, because they talk about any violations without explicitly explaining and explaining this to me

The "explanation" or "reasoning" of Sunnyplayer is in my opinion not sufficient to say that a bonus cancellation is justified. I am still absolutely stumped as to what the decisive point was in this case that they withdrew the funds from my account. As already explained, I have also played a bonus with sports betting often enough in the past and never had a problem, it was always paid out properly and very quickly (which I also credit Sunnyplayer for). Accordingly, it seems to me that the current case is about an accusation that - so far - cannot be confirmed.


If applicable, one of the moderators here has contact with Sunnyplayer employees who may be able to solve the case.

A moderator has already contacted me on Friday and explained that probably at the latest after the weekend movement should come into the case, because then also a Sunnyplayer employee would comment on it. I think that is now on the weekend also understandable that can not immediately be reacted from an official position.

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Anonym
capriz wrote on 05/11/2019 6:29 PM: bonus accumulation and Risk mitigation <- these are the two reasons in my opinion that led to the cancellation.


Risk minimization at minimum odds of 1.8 doesn't exist. If he would have lost his money, no one would have minded.

Hope you get your money. Otherwise, better bet with real betting providers.

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Marcelk
Here's a little update:

I received another response from sunnyplayer management yesterday:

Dear Mr. K.,


Regardless of your publications on internet forums, we have checked the matter again in detail and unfortunately have to inform you that the deducted bonus cannot be credited again.



In addition to the generally applicable rule according to which the bonus provided can be taken back, the decisive factor for this is above all the fact that you have gained an unjustified advantage by placing bets on your accounts. This Risk minimization violates the Bonus terms and conditions.



The decision is final after new confirmation by the responsible team. We hope that despite the negative decision for you, you will be able to show understanding for this course of action, which has been taken to ensure fair equality of opportunity for all players and agents.



Respectfully,


Your sunnyplayer Team

While it is positive to note that management seems to actually be addressing reported cases, I feel that this response also lacks a clear explanation of the misconduct. The email seems to me like a somewhat more detailed version of the above response, i.e. quite vague and woolly in its wording - without any "evidence".

In my opinion, the behavior of Sunnyplayer therefore continues to seem arbitrary, even more so when the first argument is that any bonus can basically be canceled afterwards.

After nevertheless very positive experiences with the company, I now actually feel cheated and am disappointed with the responses of the management so far. So I see myself forced to communicate my case via other channels (MGA or for arbitration IBAS).

If someone here has already made experiences with the MGA or especially the arbitration board IBAS (Sunnyplayer points to it in the terms and conditions), he can do this here with pleasure kund.

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