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# Other Casinos #: [solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

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likeroman

[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

12th Dec. 2020, at 03:06 pm CET#1
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Hello readers

In Switzerland there is a legal article according to OR Art. 513 para. 1 that claims from gambling and betting are not enforceable. However, Art. 515a says that in licensed casinos claims are exceptionally valid

So I have now sent a payment order to 777.ch in Davos, because the casino has not booked the wins as real money.

This is what happened. The casino offers a bonus when you make a deposit. I deposited and immediately sent the Deposit back to my bank. I was able to activate the bonus immediately afterwards and I gambled away the bonus up to the amount 0.--. Now afterwards I have booked again real money on the account. Now the absolute abzock hammer, all bets and wins were coupled with the Playtrought bonus again, so that I now all real money deposits as a bonus would have to play subsequently. The casino says I would be obliged as a player at the account balance of CHF 0.-- to cancel the bonus, so that this does not happen in the system. Only I didn't know that, because they actually want to protect the players from such rip-offs since the new gambling law. For me, this scheme almost borders on fraud. Well what do you think I'm just the stupid or should a judge be on my side?

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[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

12th Dec. 2020, at 06:38 pm CET#2
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likeroman wrote on 12/12/2020 at 15:06: Hello readers

In Switzerland there is a legal article according to OR Art. 513 abs. 1 that claims from gambling and betting are not enforceable. However, Art. 515a says that in licensed casinos claims are exceptionally valid

So I have now sent a payment order to 777.ch in Davos, because the casino has not booked the wins as real money.

This is what happened. The casino offers a bonus when you make a deposit. I deposited and immediately sent the Deposit back to my bank. I was able to activate the bonus immediately afterwards and I gambled away the bonus up to the amount 0.--. Now afterwards I have booked again real money on the account. Now the absolute abzock hammer, all bets and wins were coupled with the Playtrought bonus again, so that I now all real money deposits as a bonus would have to play subsequently. The casino says I would be obliged as a player at the account balance of CHF 0.-- to cancel the bonus, so that this does not happen in the system. Only I didn't know that, because they actually want to protect the players from such rip-offs since the new gambling law. For me, this scheme almost borders on fraud. Well what do you think I'm just the stupid or should a judge be on my side?

Is unfortunately a normal proceeding with some

Sure it would be technically possible to let the bonus expire but unfortunately not all and is also so in the terms and conditions is so in such a case right from the casino because they argue that you would know if you had read the terms and conditions

Would make you little hope

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Whilm
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[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

12th Dec. 2020, at 08:00 pm CET#3
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gamble1 wrote on 12/12/2020 at 18:38
Is unfortunately a normal procedure with some

Sure it would be technically possible to let the bonus expire but unfortunately not all and is also so in the terms and conditions is so in such a case right from the casino because they argue that you would know if you had read the terms and conditions

Would make you little hope

Comes to me but still not serious over.

If I have no money I can also have no bonus. If my account balance = 0 there is also no bonus that I can convert.

However, in my opinion, T&Cs should not be used to trick players.

I understand that if you don't follow certain rules then so be it. But here we are talking about fraud.

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[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

12th Dec. 2020, at 08:44 pm CET#4
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Whilm wrote on 12/12/2020 at 8:00 PM
Still doesn't come across as serious to me.

If I don't have any money I can't have a bonus. If my account balance = 0 there is also no bonus that I can convert.

However, in my opinion, T&Cs should not be used to trick players.

I understand that if you don't follow certain rules then so be it. But here we are talking about fraud.

has less to do with fooling rather that there are different technical realities in the casino software variants

Sometimes even the converted bonus itself must be converted

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likeroman

[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

20th Dec. 2020, at 09:45 am CET#5
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Thank you very much for the answers. I have now sent a legally valid Debt collection or payment order last week. Now the casino has time to make a legal proposal, which they will do anyway. It's like a titanium wall, you argue on the part of support even with the last reminder with 0815 answers and funnily enough does not even know exactly how they fooled the players. In one display, the account balance is now even less, they simply deducted the real money payout from the account balance afterwards. (Although that still shows in the bonus account, which is not accepted by me in my case anyway)

So I'm curious how when the casino gives in, because every 1/4 years, they have to apply for a new license and if you use so fraudulent terms and conditions to deceive players, they would be fine to shut down the store! Also the already written Spielbankkommission sieht das eigentlichbso like me. If there are also a few players with such experiences at Swiss Online Casinos, it would be great to read about it

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[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

21st Dec. 2020, at 07:05 am CET#6
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likeroman wrote on 20/12/2020 at 09:45: Thanks for the replies. I have now sent a legally valid Debt collection or payment order last week. Now the casino has time to make a legal proposal, which they will do anyway. It's like a titanium wall, you argue on the part of support even with the last reminder with 0815 answers and funnily enough does not even know exactly how you have fooled the players. In one display, the account balance is now even less, they simply deducted the real money payout from the account balance afterwards. (Although that still shows in the bonus account, which is not accepted by me in my case anyway)

So I'm curious how when the casino gives in, because every 1/4 years, they have to apply for a new license and if you use so fraudulent terms and conditions to deceive players, they would be fine to shut down the store! Also the already written Spielbankkommission sieht das eigentlichbso like me. If there are also a few players with such experiences at Swiss Online Casinos, it would be great to read about it.

Think anyway that it will not have much success

In your first post you write: This is what happened. The casino offers a bonus for a deposit. I deposited and immediately sent the Deposit back to my bank.

Do not you also apply the rules for money laundering that you have to convert deposits 1 time?

But no matter how it is I was 2 minutes on the site and have learned where you get Bonuses where they are located and how to activate them and where you can see how far you are through with it

You could have noticed at any time that a bonus is still active and must be converted ergo it is also not a scam because no one has hidden anything from you

This will run completely after the motto "We are not responsible for the fact that he understands his account correctly"

I mean this casino is the first what even everything with pictures to explain the processes how can you assume there fraud

I would understand it rather if it was written in small print with 20000 words but it is pictorially represented

So in short for me it is as far away from fraud as it gets I could tell you 5 casinos where it is handled similarly and you just have to look at something yourself we are all but no 12 more where you have to carry everything behind

This should not be an insult or attack but I have slowly the feeling all run without looking over the road and scream damages if they are run over where is the personal responsibility to?

In an EU-licensed casino would laugh at you if because of such an incident a payment request arrives and honestly I hope it is not different with you because this is for my taste just plain rude because of your mistake to confront the casino with fraud allegations and drag the name in the mud

Another little Tip: Inform yourself before depositing about the conditions and skim the Bonus terms and conditions and all that stuff at least and a regular look at the available or accepted bonuses has also not hurt yet

As I said that you have to cancel a bonus itself is common in some casinos and no FRAUD !!!!!!!!!!

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Liquid
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[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

21st Dec. 2020, at 07:31 am CET#7
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Hä it is even normal that a bonus even with after account balance 0 can still be converted with further deposits. If you do not want that you just cancel. A look at the bonus account / overview would have been enough.


But jaja... main thing display is out xd

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[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

21st Dec. 2020, at 05:14 pm CET#8
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Liquid wrote on 21.12.2020 at 07:31 clock: Hä it is even normal that a bonus even with after account balance 0 can still be implemented with further deposits. If you do not want that you just cancel. A look at the bonus account / overview would have been enough.


But jaja... main thing display is out xd

Thanks at least one confirms my statement

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likeroman

[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

23rd Dec. 2020, at 12:13 am CET#9
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It would be nice to get some answers from forum members who are not employed by a casino themselves. This is not about fraud, it is simply about the strict Swiss gambling laws that do not allow such bonus offers to be coupled with real money payments, especially not afterwards to the disadvantage of the players

(I did not claim that, but the terms and conditions are interpreted to the disadvantage of the player, so that one can get into such a situation at all)


Yes I was stupid enough not to deactivate the bonus at the account balance of 0.00 and have fed the Playtrought with further real money deposits. What advantage would I have as a player to keep the bonus active? After all, the bonus amount has already been gambled away before. So I have every right to defend the win as mine.

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likeroman

[solved] Order for payment at swiss casinos

23rd Dec. 2020, at 12:18 am CET#10
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Liquid wrote on 21.12.2020 at 07:31 clock: Hä it is even normal that a bonus even with after account balance 0 can still be implemented with further deposits. If you do not want that you just cancel. A look at the bonus account / overview would have been enough.


But jaja... main thing display is out xd

What should I convert the please? The bonus had already been drawn and gambled away. After that I have deposited my real money. Clearly I have not deactivated the bonus with account balance 0.--, yet that must not be that one remains trapped in a 30x conversion

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