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# Other Casinos #: Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

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flowhv

Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

10th Aug. 2020, at 01:04 pm CEST#1
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Hello all,

to the facts of the case:

On 06.08.2020 I won a good 5000 in the Orientexpresscasino (https://www.orientxpresscasino.com/de) and paid out.
Today, the casino has rejected the payout. The reason is incredible
Allegedly, there is a violation of the terms and conditions, I would have played the slot "Book of Sun - Choice" with a stake of 450 €! According to the terms and conditions, you can only play with a maximum of 30% of the Deposit, which corresponds to €30
At the slot itself, the maximum bet is 30 €, but it seems that Orientexpresscasino does not know their own slots or is incapable of checking there.
In the transaction list there is a field "Bet/Win", either the bet or the win is displayed there.
However, the casino uses this display as an argument to tell me that I violated betting rules.
According to the transaction list, with a balance of almost 2000 €, I have also placed a bet in the amount of 4132.50 €!

I can only advise everyone not to play there, this is clearly fraud.

Photos of it at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ruslqdypnwdd4bu/AAATin01fB8RIKKthc3sRgNla?dl=0


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sippi
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Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

10th Aug. 2020, at 02:26 pm CEST#2
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Casino with bad Curacao license, which can not even be found via Google, but only via any bonus sites that advertise that as quite great. Assume the 450 € is not a bet, which, as you write, is not possible anyway, but a single win? I think you will not see the money at the casino - they know exactly what phase is. Do not play there anymore, nor in any other Curacao casino.

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flowhv

Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

10th Aug. 2020, at 07:02 pm CEST#3
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No, in the meantime I found out that it is the purchase of the feature, where only the 3 Books are turned down. The price for this is €450 with a round bet of €5. The resulting wins are also made according to the €5 paytable.

I was actually quite satisfied there so far. But I had a total of 8300 € on the account, which are now gone

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derzweifel
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Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

10th Aug. 2020, at 07:36 pm CEST#4
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flowhv wrote on 10/08/2020 at 19:02: No, in the meantime I found out that it is the purchase of the feature where only the 3 Books are turned down. The price for this is 450 € with a round bet of 5 €. The resulting wins are also made according to the €5 paytable.

I was actually quite satisfied there so far. But I had a total of 8300 € on the account, which are now gone


That a feature purchase is treated like a single bet and breaks the max-bet rule (if the purchase price of the feature is above the maxbet) is all casinos so and has nothing to do fraud. Hurts in this case because it was a lot of teaching money.

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sippi
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Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

10th Aug. 2020, at 07:45 pm CEST#5
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Oh, that's right, I didn't even think about purchase features. The supporter could have pointed that out himself. So everything right. I would still not play there

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Jojolino
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Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

11th Aug. 2020, at 12:20 am CEST#6
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Why do not the casinos build software-side a lock when you play with Bonus money or that a pop up opens with a message that it violates the policy if you play with the selected stake ? Actually feasible! I just think that it is hoped that the customer happens something like that is just pointed to the terms and conditions so that you do not pay out

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mowolum
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Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

11th Aug. 2020, at 12:29 am CEST#7
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Jojolino wrote on 11.08.2020 at 00:20 clock: Why do not build the casinos software-side a lock when you play with Bonus money or that a pop up opens with a message that it violates the policy if you play with the selected stake ? Actually feasible! I just think that it is hoped that the customer happens something like that is just pointed to the terms and conditions so that you do not pay out.

That gint it already with some.

If you exceed the maximum bet allowed, a popup appears with the message - Eindatz exceeds the allowed limit - .
And you are already on the safe side.

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Kleinkariert
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Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

11th Aug. 2020, at 02:26 am CEST#8
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You can really do nothing there, unfortunately, a casino with poor licensing and online also has no good reviews. With the sum it is a pity, but unfortunately you have not informed yourself sufficiently before playing with bonus money. There are almost always traps in playing with bonus, you have to read through very carefully and also know how a bet is evaluated.

The problem is that the regulatory authority in Curacao as far as I know has almost never responded to a player request and therefore complaints or reports go virtually in the trash can. Many casinos choose it because of the much more lax conditions, lower costs and weak controls. Even clear fake slots could go on blithely for years. That's how good the licensing is...

But with a bonus purchase like you did there, you would have failed at almost every casino when cashing out. Since all casinos count a bonus buy as a single bet, the bonus buy itself should cost as no more than €5. Also the gamble/risk feature is often banned. Because of these many rules and the turnover requirements, I personally very often do without a <Bonus>.</Bonus>

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v****2

Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

11th Aug. 2020, at 05:49 am CEST#9
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ask google once : Orient express casino + complaints ...and
directly one time blacklisted at a very trustworthy site
then all this would not have happened.

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flowhv

Orientcasino refuses payout with nonsensical reasoning

12th Aug. 2020, at 05:54 pm CEST#10
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Jojolino wrote on 11.08.2020 at 00:20 clock: Why do not build the casinos software-side a lock when you play with Bonus money or that a pop up opens with a message that it violates the policy if you play with the selected stake ? Actually feasible! I just think that it is hoped that the customer happens something like that is just pointed to the terms and conditions so that you do not pay out.

So I have not played with bonus money, it was just the deposited money.
And since the win of the feature purchase at 5 € stake for the 3 Books is 10 €, the 450 € is not a stake. The stake determines the payout.
For 3 books you get double the stake, always. So, unfortunately, I see it completely differently.

The terms and conditions are only in English, under point 16.4 is the reference.

It has now been delegated to the Arbitration Office. Let's wait and see. In case of need, I'll get a part back via chargeback.

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